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Saturday, May 14, 2005

If you're not a New York Times subscriber and you have a neighbor who's out of town, you might want to go over to their front lawn and steal the big package in blue plastic. In fact, you might even want to steal the Times off your neighbor's lawn if they're just a late sleeper.

That's because everybody's already talking about the Paula Span article on the front of the Jersey section -- not available at newstands until tomorrow.

Finally the New York Times comes clean: everybody at the newspaper lives in Montclair. This dirty little secret was swept under the rug for years, and the policy at the Jersey section was that you were to refer to the "M" town sparingly.

Now with today's article, comes the corollary: everybody in Montclair works for the New York Times, or is at least headed by a "media-industry dad."

Furthermore, with today's article, self-hating New Jerseyeans can finally leave therapy. Montclair isn't just racially diverse, according to Span, our suburb is flush with lesbians, Koreans and people with brogues. And (alert the media) working women:

While we're at it, let's torpedo that lingering Stepford wife image, too. It's one of the fears you hear women murmuring about when they contemplate leaving the city -- is it all bake sales and bridge clubs out there? But in these counties [six metro suburbs included], the proportion of women in the labor force is actually higher (55 to 58 percent) than in New York (52 percent).

Montclair even boasts a higher crime rate than New York (3,233 per 100,000 inhabants v. 2,183) although we fall short in violent crime.

While the Barista herself is a master of self-congratulatory "journalism," we bow our head to Span, who reports what she paid in 1985 for her "roomy old [Montclair] house... with stained-glass windows and towering oaks": $189,900. In fact, one might consider the 3,000-ish word piece the longest "for sale by owner" ad in history, except that Span doesn't reveal the current price tag.

One correction (and this isn't Span's fault), the picture of an ethnic-looking father and daughter eating Rita's ices was clearly shot on Broad Street in Bloomfield, not Montclair. Not a small point to our readers in Bloomfield or, as the cognoscenti call it, Montclair East.

Posted by Debbie Galant on May 14, 2005 11:31 AM
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"..this town has become a magnet for interracial families.."
This is hardly a new development. Montclair's reputation for interracial families was well known over over twenty years ago, which is why we moved here after we adopted our Jamaican son. Eight years ago Interrace Magazine described Montclair as "An Interracial Haven" and said "The #1 [in the United States, my note] city for interracial couples and families to live is Montclair, NJ."

As far as Montclair's diversity, African-Americans have been in Montclair is substantial numbers for generations. But, over the past two or three years, due to the increasing cost of housing, the number of African-American studnets in the public schools has decreased.

It's nice to know that the NY Times has finally noticed.

Posted by Bitpusher | May 14, 2005 2:04 PM
 

So an awful lot of Times staffers live in Montclair? That's good to know. Makes the inevitable roundup "come the revolution..." that much easier, all those "useful idiots" jam-packed together. The religious far right thanks you from the bottom of its bloodthirsty heart. Now if the barista could just point out where all the Fox News people live...
It was, howeverm a sort of typical Times story. I'm in agreement with Jeff Jarvis, who once wrote that "The Times doesn't 'get' New Jersey and never will." Times writers also usually seem to close their eyes while driving through towns like East Rutherford, Carlstadt and Belleville on their way to Montclair. And how big do oak trees have to be before they become, in Timestalk, "towering?"

Posted by cathar | May 14, 2005 3:28 PM
 

I hope they're not driving through East Rutherford, Carlstadt and Belleville with their eyes closed.

 

Okay, well said. But how about "sociologically?"

Posted by cathar | May 14, 2005 5:58 PM
 

Also, I just reread the doggone thing. That's "important?" and worth talking about? As mean-spirited (according to Fran, who reminded me of this last Monday night) as I may well be at rare moments, the barista indeed does journalism here on a regular basis. I don't know what Ms. Span's story qualifies as, but journalism? Nah, it's just the usual Times stuff about NJ. All on the surface, nothing in it to even indicate she's ever even eaten an Italian-style hot dog. There's a distanced cadence to her prose, as if she's afraid to ever let a nasal Jerseyism fully rip. And it's prim-sounding, there's no sense of sweat conveyed even if she has lived here since 1965. (Not to bean mean-spirited here, of course.)

Posted by cathar | May 14, 2005 7:21 PM
 

haven't read the article, cancelled my subscription to NYT but .... yay! great! yet another article which encourages wealthy new yorkers to move to montclair and ridiculously outspend all us jug-handle lovin' jersey-folk.

really, it's fine with me! let them drool over montclair, that way they won't come to glen ridge (since it's much more homogenous and not nearly as "hip")and jack up the prices so we "non-media" types can POSSIBLY still afford to buy a house!

by the way, central jersey where i grew up was much more diverse than montclair. i (a caucasian) was an officer of the "asian club" in HS. we had a large indian population, as well as families from every country in east asia, especially taiwan. maybe it's just me, but i don't see many korean families here or a very large number of indian, middle eastern or pakistani families. diversity is in the eye of the beholder, i guess.

Posted by jess | May 14, 2005 7:24 PM
 

Bloomfield= Montclair East

I think not! Try driving through Montclair in the winter- at least in Bloomfield our streets are plowed. In Bloomfield, our leaves are also picked up- by vacuum cleaning town equipment (not that I put mine out- we compost)- no piles to dodge. In Bloomfield we have a dog park, 12 Miles West, lower taxes,and can park our cars on the street overnight.

Eat your heart out Montclair!!

Posted by badd_patti | May 14, 2005 8:20 PM
 

But you DON'T have $300 colanders! How do you sleep at night?

Posted by Miss Martta | May 14, 2005 8:25 PM
 

We sleep quite well, on pillows stuffed with the money we save by buying cheaper colanders that work just as well.

Zzzzzz.

Posted by Chris | May 14, 2005 8:52 PM
 

I betcha those $300 colanders are on sale in Bloomfield at the 99 cent store.

If anyone in Montclair would like to buy a colander I'd be happy to pick one up at the 99 cent store - and deliver it to you for only $129.95- think of the savings and convenience.

Posted by badd_patti | May 14, 2005 9:55 PM
 

Read The Sun, it is a much better paper all around!

Posted by Right of Center | May 14, 2005 10:42 PM
 

God, the Times is already right-wing enough! Why would I want to read the Sun?

Posted by Marshall | May 15, 2005 4:50 AM
 

"God, the Times is already right-wing enough."

Right-wing what? Right-wing Liberals, you mean?

Posted by Miss Martta | May 15, 2005 6:15 AM
 

The best part is when Paula Span remarks that both couples are "fit, attractive." Doesn't want Montclair sullied by unattractive sorts, does she? Diverse, yes, fit and attractive equally important, going for that aerobicized glow whatever the race, gender or nationality.
As for Marshall's far-lefty reading tastes, Miss Martta, I'm sure he prefers stuff like the Guardian and the New Statesman. And I think he was referring to the UK Times and Sun, not the NYC papers.

Posted by cathar | May 15, 2005 8:58 AM
 

Did you notice that the photo in the article is shot on Broad Street in Bloomfield across from Holsteins?

Posted by julia | May 15, 2005 9:44 AM
 

First of all, I have always felt that the conduit flows from the Upper West Side to Montclair and from Brooklyn to Maplewood. That is where you will find the 40-something year olds still wearing black tee shirts and playing in garage bands. I moved from the Upper West Side to Bloomfield and now live in Montclair. What I find amusing is that Span has declared Montclair more diverse because the shops and restaurants are run by immigrants. But she presumes a lot. I bet that most of those Koreans and Carribeans and Irish live somewhere else. Bloomfield is safe and affordable, both as a renter and a first time home owner. This is where the immigrants and the new wave of city expats are moving. (which is why the Times snapped the photo there).

I think her argument is skewed because we don't live in the suburbs. Baristaville was a thriving place with history and commerce long before the commuter lines ran into NYC. To compare it to Levittown is an insult. People choose to live in this area because they aren't "suburbs" but because they are towns.

Posted by Cheaplazymom | May 15, 2005 10:40 AM
 

Jersey has always attracted immigrants.
The many small Italian restaurants are the result of an earlier wave. The small Indian grocery store on Bloomfield Ave. and the various Caribbean take out places are the results of the latest wave.

When I was growing up in Middlesex County it was not uncommon to hear a friend talk to his grandparents or parents in another language.

I am incredulous when I hear people talking about "multiculturalism" and "diversity" like they were something new. They're just typical Jersey.

Posted by Bitpusher | May 15, 2005 11:12 AM
 

"As for Marshall's far-lefty reading tastes, Miss Martta, I'm sure he prefers stuff like the Guardian and the New Statesman. And I think he was referring to the UK Times and Sun, not the NYC papers."

Aha...I stand corrected. I used to enjoy reading The Spectator online for free but now there's a fee.

Posted by Miss Martta | May 15, 2005 1:06 PM
 

No, don't stand corrected. I was referring to the US lineup of right wing rags. With its total refusal to acknowledge the manifold sins of Judith Miller, the Times has subordinated itself to the diktat of Karl Rove. No longer any credibility whatsoever, even if they do show Paul Krugman on page A27.

Posted by Marshall | May 15, 2005 5:22 PM
 

The boards here were once interesting. Even witty occasionally. Now it's basically nothing but political rants one after another. Usually way off topic. Very dull to read. If the Barista ran a short piece on Raymonds french toast, it would probably be at least three posts before we got to Carl Rove, Thomas Friedman, or Hilary Clinton. As I get older, I have to say I find the nonstop political nonsense to be the refuge of people who just have nothing interesting to say. They can just trot out the same tired stuff day in and day out in response to just about anything.

Posted by you_gotta_believe | May 15, 2005 9:51 PM
 

Guess he doesn't believe anymore, huh?

Clearly, you_gotta, you gotta pay more attention. A story on French toast would NOT lead to Friedman, Clinton and Rove. It would lead to a discussion of the war, the wussy French and Bush! For Friedman, Clinton and Rove to be involved it would have to be a post on something like house painting or snow removal.

Posted by Right of Center | May 16, 2005 8:05 AM
 

You gotta believe that you_gotta_believe probably had a rough weekend if at almost 10PM on a Sunday night he/she has gotten round to complaining about off-thread posts. And if it takes "at least three posts" to move to politics from French toast, well, doesn't that indicate that there's at least some interest in French toast out there? Should I thus assume ygb prefers French toast to politics? As ygb and the rest of us get older, should the barista set up a daily French toast thread? And can I also then have one for scrapple?

Posted by cathar | May 16, 2005 9:33 AM
 

The name "scrapple" was clearly invented before marketing!

Posted by Right of Center | May 16, 2005 10:10 AM
 

Is "scrapple" is same thing as "crackling?"

Posted by Miss Martta | May 16, 2005 10:45 AM
 

uh-oh. The first inkling of controlled speech has appeared at Baristanet (up in the top box). Are there more to follow? This thread is not really that far off topic. Nor, really, that political. And although I often disagree with him, one thing you simply can't say about Marshall (who made the most overtly political comment in this thread) is that he has any need to participate in "Comment Intelligently Week".

And all this because of "you_gotta_believe"'s post which did manage the only personal insult in the thread.

Perhaps baristanet needs a moderator?

Posted by Right of Center | May 16, 2005 11:01 AM
 

Yadda gotta believe: That's *Freedom* toast, pal! Next you'll be promoting a piece on vichysoise.

Back in the Wild Wild West days of the Internet -- before America'sMall On Line and other commercial purveyors of pablum began trying to reduce the marketplace of ideas to ideas that are marketable -- a thread wasn't judged hopeless until someone called someone else a Nazi.

Back to the topic, as a newbie both to NJ as well as Montclair, I have to say I like it here. But I'd feel suffocated without daily excursions to Bloomfield, Glenridge or Clifton.

Don't get me wrong: I'm all for civility. But by any standard the more political posts here are both polite and mild -- and at least tangentially connected to the topic, which certainly has socio-political dimensions, both in substance as well as in how it's framed by the elitest of elite print media.

Oh, and yes, the NYT is "liberal," editorially at least, if by that one means that it adheres to the conventional wisdom of the center-right cocktail party crowd.

Back to the main topic: as a newbie both to NJ and Montclair, I have to say I like it here. Still, I'd feel suffocated without daily excursions to Bloomfield, Glenridge or Clifton. Also, based on my admittedly limited observations, Montclair's vaunted diversity appears to be more of a statistical aggregation than a description of day-to-day encounters in Watchung Plaza.

Posted by Bob | May 16, 2005 11:56 AM
 

Who is YGB anyway? and what influence does he have with the Barista? Why did this one post solicit a Post Intelligent Week directive? Why does YGB get an immediate directive straight for the Barista and not, say, my good racist friend Jasper Ankel's post the other day get ignored?

Just to make this post "on topic," I'd like to add: Oh yeah I like Montclair too.

Posted by walleroo | May 16, 2005 12:17 PM
 

solicit=elicit. sorry.

Posted by walleroo | May 16, 2005 12:18 PM
 

Let me guess: YGB is a Mets fan. That should narrow down the field considerably.

Yeah, it would be nice if we didn't stray from the topics but I'm not anal about it. With the exception of Montclair Unmoderated, I think too many things in our lives today are moderated (i.e., I never had playdates as a kid, I just went out and played, dammit!). I say no to moderation, although as Butch pointed out a while back, I would like to see a section of the site devoted to "off-topic" topics.

Posted by Miss Martta | May 16, 2005 12:27 PM
 

"French" Toast fits, actually. The bread has egg on its face, it is soft and gooey on the inside and just lays there on the plate, even as it is eaten away, bit by bit.

Posted by Right of Center | May 16, 2005 12:28 PM
 

Me come back in week. Me not can comment intelligently on-demand -- too much pressure!

Posted by Chris | May 16, 2005 12:50 PM
 

Miss Martta (and why the extra "Miss" elsewhere?), you never had scrapple? It's made of good-for-you stuff like pork faces and snouts and cornmeal mush and "spices" and..oh God, you really have to eat it to understand. You fry it up crispy, toss hot sauce or ketchup on it, let your eggs run into it...more of a South Jersey and PA thing, but available at Stop & Shop. No more revolting in theory than sea urchin roe, anyway.

Posted by cathar | May 16, 2005 1:57 PM
 

Scrapple is basically the stuff that doesn't make the Spam grade.

Posted by Right of Center | May 16, 2005 2:13 PM
 

"Miss Martta (and why the extra "Miss" elsewhere?), you never had scrapple? It's made of good-for-you stuff like pork faces and snouts and cornmeal mush and "spices" and..oh God, you really have to eat it to understand. You fry it up crispy, toss hot sauce or ketchup on it, let your eggs run into it...more of a South Jersey and PA thing, but available at Stop & Shop."

I had something similar, called "cracklin'," made with pork loin mixed in with a whole bunch of other nasties. My dad's family is from the Trenton area so that would explain it --and his elevated cholesterol.

Posted by Miss Martta | May 16, 2005 2:21 PM
 

When I was a 16 year old kid I had a huge crush on Jodi Habersett, whose family owned the eponymous scrapple company...she was probably 22, drop dead gorgeous & drove a Mercedes convertible. She used to shop in the market where I worked after school. Unfortunatley, the conversation never got past "...forty-five, fifty, six dollars & four makes ten. Thanks for shopping at Earl's."

Posted by greg | May 16, 2005 3:11 PM
 

(I say no to moderation, although as Butch pointed out a while back, I would like to see a section of the site devoted to "off-topic" topics.)

Miss M - I agree.

Posted by Pam | May 16, 2005 3:17 PM
 

I tend to think of the Habersetts as the Petrossians of the wonderful world of pork by products.

Posted by cathar | May 16, 2005 3:45 PM
 

Scrapple is a Pennsylvania thing that, unlike funnel cakes, never realy made it across the Delaware. It is therefore probably unknown to NY ex-pats as it is to most of us who grew up near the NY tap of the beer keg. The real reason that the British withdrew from Philadelphia and retreated back to NYC was that they preferred lox to scrapple for breakfast.

Posted by Bitpusher | May 16, 2005 3:58 PM
 

Actually, scrapple is an *eastern* PA thing. (Western Pa, where I grew up, was more of a kielbasa place).

Anyway, it's definitely an acquired taste. I never did.

Posted by Bob | May 16, 2005 5:12 PM
 

ROFL! Thanks for the link to this "discussion", Ms. Barista! The characters in this internet sitcom are wonderful!

Gotta_believe: I've got a liter of JD and would be more than happy to offer you a *swig*! ;o)

Posted by Surrounded | May 16, 2005 6:10 PM
 

There have been lots of new posters the last few days. Can't you_gotta_believe see how great this is? The more seemingly off-topic (only seemingly) we veer, the more folks join in. And "surrounded," wossamotta U? You're not going to pass the JD our way?

Posted by cathar | May 16, 2005 7:42 PM
 

Can someone post the link to the actual article, online? (if there is one, that is).

Posted by John | May 16, 2005 7:51 PM
 

Its here
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/15/nyregion/thecity/15feat.html

Can anyone tell me where in West Orange can you see the Manhattan skyline like that...looks more like from Hoboken or Union City.

Posted by Larks | May 16, 2005 7:54 PM
 

Gee, the Barista singles me out for a top of page reference and regular posters feel left out. Gee, must be Barista envy. No, we're not close. Never met. I just couldn't fathom how a discussion of Rove and Judith Miller really had a place in this thread. Maybe it's just me. And perhaps Barista.

Posted by you_gotta_believe | May 16, 2005 8:04 PM
 

You can see the Manhattan skyline really well from the Eagle Rock Reservation (where Highlawn Pavilion is) but go on a clear night.

Also have a compelling 9-11 memorial there.

Posted by Miss Martta | May 16, 2005 8:14 PM
 
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