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Maplewood Library to Kids: Drop Dead

Tuesday, January 2, 2007

Sure, denizens of Baristaville might covet their pool, but Maplewood can keep its library. From the New York Times...

Every afternoon at Maplewood Middle School’s final bell, dozens of students pour across Baker Street to the public library. Some study quietly.

Others, library officials say, fight, urinate on the bathroom floor, scrawl graffiti on the walls, talk back to librarians or refuse to leave when asked. One recently threatened to burn down the branch library. Librarians call the police, sometimes twice a day.

As a result, starting on Jan. 16, the Maplewood Memorial Library will be closing its two buildings on weekdays from 2:45 to 5 p.m., until further notice.

Library employees will still be on the job, working at tasks like paperwork, filing, and answering calls and online questions.

“They almost knocked me down, and they run in and out,” said Lila Silverman, a Maplewood resident who takes her grandchildren to the library’s children’s room but called the front of the library “a disaster area” after school. “I do try to avoid those hours.”

This comfortable Essex County suburb of 23,000 residents, still proud of its 2002 mention in Money magazine on a list of “Best Places to Live,” is no seedy outpost of urban violence. But its library officials, like many across the country, have grown frustrated by middle schoolers’ mix of pent-up energy, hormones and nascent independence.

Outside the library, students who use it gave the new hours two thumbs down, way down.

“Kids will get into real mischievous activities” with the library closed, warned one teenager, Jonathan Brock, a student at the district’s alternative high school program.

Is that a threat? Maybe Maplewood needs a babysitter cop on a bike like the one who watches the Baristaville middle schoolers whose after-school enrichment programs involve congregating and tossing the football outside Upper Montclair's Cold Cash Creamery.

Posted by Liz George on January 2, 2007 10:11 AM
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stupid moron parents are to blame for their rotten kids

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 10:41 AM
 

Wrong approach. Closing the library sends a message to the unruly kids that they've won. Also, it punishes the well-behaved kids who use the library and rely on it for schoolwork. Why not hire a security guard to patrol the library during those hours and remove just the troublemakers?

Posted by Miss Martta | January 2, 2007 10:45 AM
 

Martta, I totlly agree with you on this one.

 

And this sentence just made me laugh out loud:

"But its library officials, like many across the country, have grown frustrated by middle schoolers’ mix of pent-up energy, hormones and nascent independence."

Is this something new among middle-schoolers in the 21st century? Was this not a problem in 1975? Or 1955? Personally, I've grown frustrated with library officials' lack of cojones in dealing with the problem.

Posted by Miss Martta | January 2, 2007 10:52 AM
 

I like what they've done at the Montclair library on N. Fullerton. They've made an enclosed "teens-only" room just inside the front entrance, and do have a local cop or security guard checking up there and upstairs in the children's room from time to time.

Posted by skipwith | January 2, 2007 10:54 AM
 

I wish everybody would learn some manners and stop treating public places like their own living rooms. Teenagers in libraries, yuppies on trains with their cell phones, and old codgers in the movies drive me nuts with their constant yammering. SHUT YER PIE HOLES AND LET THE REST OF US ENJOY A LITTLE PEACE AND QUIET, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!

Posted by SHUT IT! | January 2, 2007 11:09 AM
 

I wish everybody would learn some manners and stop treating public blogs like their own living rooms. Cranks in their living rooms, and old codgers in front of their PCs drive me nuts with their constant yammering. SHUT YER PIE HOLES AND LET THE REST OF US ENJOY A LITTLE PEACE AND QUIET, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!

Posted by QUIET! | January 2, 2007 11:13 AM
 

Sounds like a bunch of old ladies who have no concept of how to deal with teenagers. Maybe if they weren't terrified of them, they could actually work on a solution.

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 11:13 AM
 

Sounds like a bunch of clueless parents who have no concept of how to raise their teenagers. Maybe if they weren't so wrapped up in themselves, they could actually teach them how to behave.

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 11:29 AM
 

QUIET!

were you invited or implored to come here and talk with us.

If you don't like us please leave!

Posted by Please leave | January 2, 2007 11:50 AM
 

"“Kids will get into real mischievous activities” with the library closed, warned one teenager, Jonathan Brock, a student at the district’s alternative high school program."

Yep, kids will have sex at other kids houses. the birth rate will rise. I suggest that someone sue the library.

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 11:54 AM
 

Let's not forget that Public Libraries, as conceived by Andrew Carnegie, were to be free and open to the public of all ages!

Posted by Franklin | January 2, 2007 12:27 PM
 

Let's not forget that Public Libraries, as conceived by Andrew Carnegie, were to be free and open to the public of all ages!

Posted by Franklin | January 2, 2007 12:27 PM
 

Let's not forget that Public Libraries, as conceived by Andrew Carnegie, were to be free and open to the public of all ages!

Posted by Franklin | January 2, 2007 12:27 PM
 

Another classy Headline by the Barista clan. I guess we don't need to buy the NY Post anymore!

Posted by DropDead? | January 2, 2007 12:31 PM
 

"Sounds like a bunch of old ladies who have no concept of how to deal with teenagers. Maybe if they weren't terrified of them, they could actually work on a solution."

Hardly. I experienced a similar situation recently in the Verona library. The problem is the parents who expect the library to be their babysitter. Tons of kids pour into the children's room when school lets out, take over and parents who are there with their kids, can't find a table nor read with their kids.

The librarians SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS. This isn't their job to deal with unruly teens.

I say good for Maplewood. Let those parents wake up and deal with their own kids now.

Posted by wake up! | January 2, 2007 12:38 PM
 

So what happens when the Cops arrive ? Apparently nothing from the sound of it.

If some punk threatened to burn down a library, I would have his ass arrested. Maybe that would wake up both him and his or her parents .

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 1:06 PM
 

"Tons of kids pour into the children's room when school lets out, take over and parents who are there with their kids, can't find a table nor read with their kids. "

Parents do not have preference for tables or seating at the library.

Books can always be taken out and read at home .

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 1:11 PM
 

As an experienced psychologist, I would like to weigh in.

Youngsters need to feel validated and loved. Fighting, urinating, scrawling graffiti, talking back to librarians and refusing to leave when asked are all healthy behavior traits. These actions need to be fostered and encouraged not only by the parents but also the librarians. Children need to express themselves without repression in order to grow and develop.

The best thing to do when there is an incident between a librarian and a child is to terminate the librarian. These people clearly are not trained to handle the fragile psychology of children.

Posted by Dr. Roland Kincaid, PhD | January 2, 2007 1:12 PM
 

the best thing to do when this happens is to urinate on Dr. Roland Kincaid, PhD.

Posted by He pisses me off | January 2, 2007 1:15 PM
 

I think a few weeks of having the Maplewood police at the library grab an offender or two and make it obviously known that they are hauling them away would send out a message to the kids and when the police drop the kids off to the parents a fine and a court date to juvi would send a message to Mom and Dad as well.

And while pent up frustation and raging hormones isn't anything new among teenagers, the blatent disregard for everyone else is. Most of these kids have been coddled by their parents their entire lives and this is an example of how many react when asked to show some self-discipline. If their parents don't aks them to do it, how is a librarian going to?

Posted by My Name is Tyler Durden | January 2, 2007 1:26 PM
 

shut the damn library. let them all stand on the street corner & talk in ebonics

Posted by harv | January 2, 2007 1:31 PM
 

Middle school kids use the library as a place to do homework, to do research for papers and projects or to just plain read.

The approach described by skipwith that is used by Montclair is much more appropriate.

Enforce the rules. If the Library needs to bring in someone from the outside, then do it.

The kids who only want to fool around will find another place to do it. Closing the library only punishes those who are trying to do thier work.

Posted by Bitpusher | January 2, 2007 1:55 PM
 

This is some kinda leadership.

I just don't want to hear the library-industrial-complex cryin' when googlemicrosoftstarbucks puts them outta business once and for all....

(2015: Mommy? What's a library?)

Posted by profwilliams | January 2, 2007 2:23 PM
 

"Parents do not have preference for tables or seating at the library.

Books can always be taken out and read at home ."

Hiding, you're correct on this point, however, the middle schoolers causing havoc in the library could just as well do their homework at HOME or better yet, if the parents aren't home (which is probably the case) they can HIRE a babysitter to watch their brats rather than relying on a town employee for FREE (again, not the librarian's job to babysit! which is what the parents are obviously looking for.)

Posted by wake up! | January 2, 2007 2:24 PM
 

what is the librarian job then. I thought that it was to help library patrons

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 2:26 PM
 

yea, to find books and other reference materials. NOT TO BABYSIT. Did you read the last post?

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 2:27 PM
 

yea, to find books and other reference materials. NOT TO BABYSIT. Did you read the last post?

Posted by wake up! | January 2, 2007 2:28 PM
 

I can't believe the hateful and horrible things being said on this blog site! My son Zachariah and my daughter Kara regularly read this site, and to see comments of urine and filth is awful!

Please remember impressionable young adults read here too!

Posted by linda silver | January 2, 2007 2:31 PM
 

Don't you kids know about urine yet. If not it's about time you told them where it comes from.

Posted by look it up in the dictionary | January 2, 2007 2:34 PM
 

When urine doubt, look it up.

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 2:36 PM
 

How dare you question my children's intelligence! How dare you insinuate they don't know of these things!

I can't believe the anger and hate on this site! Very, very frightening!

Posted by Linda silver | January 2, 2007 2:41 PM
 

Not to mention the silly puns.

Posted by urine trouble now | January 2, 2007 2:43 PM
 

If they know these things what's the matter with talking about them?

Posted by urine today, urout tomorrow | January 2, 2007 2:45 PM
 

No anger, no hate. Just PISS

Posted by Did I piss you off?? | January 2, 2007 2:47 PM
 

Sounds like you protect your children a little too much. If you do, the real world will chew them up & spit them back out. & then they'll move back in with you & live with you until they're 40.

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 3:21 PM
 

Sounds like you protect your children a little too much. If you do, the real world will chew them up & spit them back out. & then they'll move back in with you & live with you until they're 40.

Posted by RealWorld | January 2, 2007 3:22 PM
 

Montclair Library had turned into a jungle before the cops were finally brought in to supervise.

Cursing, running, damaging property have all calmed down since the police showed up, but there is still a few bad apples outside of the library after school gets out.

I say Maplewood try the cop routine. Kids respond to authority that can actually DO something to them, like haul em off and cuff them! The librarians can't do anything. Its a litigious society and the brats know it.

Posted by hmm | January 2, 2007 4:52 PM
 

Linda,

Lighten up. The words you are complaining about were written in the New York Times.

And from my standpoint as a parent and a reader of Barista, don't let your young impressionable children on this site if you are so concerned about the language being used here.

On my cybernanny software, I don't allow baristanet until after 7th grade

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 4:54 PM
 

OOPS! ...still ARE a few bad apples.

Posted by hmm | January 2, 2007 4:55 PM
 

Linda Sliver is a fake poster. She is known for her ubiquitous "How DARE you!" posts.

Just do a search...

Posted by just so you know | January 2, 2007 5:00 PM
 

I agree hmm.
Why punish the good kids? Once you start kicking out the bad apples, maybe the not so bad ones will toe the line and maybe actually do thier homework and LEARN something.

Personnaly, I hate the idea of having to put security in the Library to keep order, but it is preferable to shutting the place down.

Miss M said it all in the second post on this thread.

BTW, how well does the system work in Montclair?

Posted by Bitpusher | January 2, 2007 5:02 PM
 

Bitpusher,

I think it has worked well. Seems the good kids stay and study, surf the net or hang in the teen room. There is still some activity and the occaisional f-bomb yelled by kids upstairs, but it is more and more rare.

Posted by hmm | January 2, 2007 5:06 PM
 

I was always at the library when I was that age. I'd be so angry with the whole thing if I were a student who just went there to do my homework in a quiet place.

I think the response is a bit harsh, but it sounds like it may be a ploy to get a police officer there consistently.

Posted by Dog Mom | January 2, 2007 7:58 PM
 

Closing the library sends a message to the unruly kids that they've won.

Yes, that would be a cut-and-run response. They should instead suppress this insurgency of uncivil behavior with a "librarian surge", until the kids are in their last throes of unruly behavior and we can say "mission accomplished" to restoring quietude in the library.

Posted by Pork Roll | January 2, 2007 8:33 PM
 

so, kids whose parents pay taxes that support the library can' go to the library after school. Some kids misbehave - all kids are quilty. A Parents groups should picket the library and if necessary sue.

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 8:36 PM
 

quilty=guilty

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 8:43 PM
 

Given the racial undertones of just about EVERYTHING in Maplewood, especially everything having to do with the schools and or kids, I found the Times story to be pretty awful.

Maplewood is not Livingston or Short Hills or Essex Fells or any other of the other exclusively upscale towns in Essex County.

To ignore that is just shoddy reporting.

Posted by NorthOrange | January 2, 2007 10:22 PM
 

The parents should have been contacted by police, a fine should have been posed, and they should have been banned from the library for several months..

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 10:31 PM
 

The kids get into trouble because the parents are in denial that their children have behavioral problems. Perhaps the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

Posted by Anonymous | January 2, 2007 10:34 PM
 

Yes.. My kid has a nanny as primary love/guardian, I work 80 hrs a week. The problem isn't my child but the kids using false addresses in my town coming in from Newark. The test scores are low because of these students. My child has a tutor.
If my child does bad it is because of the teacher, principal or guidance conselor and I will fight/appeal any decisions against my child.

From the book - How to be a Suburban Parent.

Posted by RE_Lucas | January 3, 2007 11:00 AM
 

You sound ridiculous lady!

Posted by Anonymous | January 3, 2007 5:27 PM
 

Most of those little whippersnappers go to the library to read magazines or play doctor in the bathrooms.

Posted by oh please! | January 3, 2007 5:29 PM
 

allow me to fornicate on this subject

edumication is important to our youths, and if a few bad youngsters seek to shatter the piece and quiet in the library, then the police should scrotumize the situation more carefully.

if they find certain persons creating a disorgasmic environment, then they should be penilize these youths
to the fullest erection the law permits!

when the rules have been clearly clitified, i believe the bad apples will learn to stay away, and the good children will go on to masturbulate from fine colleges.

Posted by prowd_montclaritin | January 3, 2007 5:42 PM
 

Eww!

Posted by oh please! | January 3, 2007 5:45 PM
 

Maplewood is wrong to close the library. It's just that simple. And when someone sues them, there will be even more ridiculous behavior, albeit all by adults. I remember going to the library afterschool, being a latchkey kid, not having anywhere to go. I got into books, and I never looked back. Isn't a librarian's dream to be able to take a junior hoodlum and turn him/her on to the power of the written word?

Obviously there needs to be a little more discipline, but this does sound a bunch of hooey! The New York Times has been guilty of quite a bit of fluff lately, and this piece is a prime example. Maybe their reporters need a lesson in investigative reporting? Dig up some dirt on Cheney, willya?

On a related note, I was in Borders recently, and saw someone I knew. We started talking, and someone came over to us and shusshed me! I looked her right in the face and said, "This ain't the library lady, just a place to buy books, so beat it!" If these self appointed nutcases are rolling around in Borders, why don't we send them to Maplewood and put their shusshing skills to good use!

Posted by Lee Blair | January 3, 2007 6:04 PM
 

Did you report the shussher to the cashier or Store Manager? I would have, and they would have thrown her out for unregulated shusshing!!

NEVER stand for being shussed in Borders - communication is your RIGHT.

Posted by I won't take being shusshed | January 4, 2007 7:05 AM
 

>>>>You sound ridiculous lady!

it's pretty obvious to even a casual reader that she is joking and making a satirical point. re-read her post.

Posted by i'm fran, dammit! | January 4, 2007 12:59 PM
 

I DON'T THINK SO!

Posted by Anonymous | January 4, 2007 5:21 PM
 

my newphew's go to Maplewood Middle Schooland are afraid to use the library...plain and simple, they have been threatened, bullied and harrased...no cops to do anything...
parents are to blame... the school district and the library are not babysitters, and should net be used as such

Posted by Anonymous | January 10, 2007 8:18 AM
 

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