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First Pluto, Now Corzine

Tuesday, March 25, 2008

Former Glen Ridge Mayor Carl Bergmanson is no stranger to lost causes. A year ago, we wrote about his attempt to reinstate Pluto as a planet.

This time, his cause is not intergalactical. He's filed a petition with the attorney general and set up a website, recallcorzinenow, with the cause of handing walking papers to Governor Jon Corzine.

"I've talked to a lot of people and they're all pretty fed up with the governor," says Bergmanson, citing Corzine's failure to hold a constitutional convention, as promised, and "the whole sell-the-turnpike thing." But the "last straw" was Corzine's merge-or-die campaign against New Jersey's small towns. Glen Ridge, which had 7,271 residents in the 2000 census, has already lost $170,000 in state aid as a result.

"It's a lie," says Bergmanson. "Small towns don't cost more than big towns. They're not less efficient than big towns."

Bergmanson has started by analyzing the budgets of all the towns in Essex County, and discovered that the six towns with less than 10,000 residents cost less per person than the other 16 municipalities.

Corzine's anti-small-town campaign "is just a red herring to distract people from what's actually going on."

Bergmanson, a self-identified Whig who is classified by the state as an independent, says the effort is nonpartisan. His son Andrew, a freshman at Brown, and co-chair of the effort, is a registered Democrat.

Bergmanson says that to recall the governor he will need to gather 1.3 million signatures in the next three months.

Whether that will be harder that getting Pluto reinstated, Bergmanson can't say. "We are making progress on that [Pluto] front," he says. He has recruited NASA administrator Alan Stern on the pro-Pluto team.

Posted by Debbie Galant on March 25, 2008 10:00 AM
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I'll support Carl no matter what he does. Pluto a planet? Sure. Recall Corzine? Why not.

Posted by walleroo | March 25, 2008 10:19 AM
 

Each signature needs to be certfied?!?!?! Good luck collecting 1.3M certified sig's Carl, though you have my support!

Posted by rchanin | March 25, 2008 10:21 AM
 

Nice to see Carl putting all his extra time to good use.

Posted by State Street Pete | March 25, 2008 10:26 AM
 

I in turn, walleroo, would much like Pluto returned to his true key role, that of faithful pet to Mickey Mouse (who also, for some weird reason, has as his best friend another, non-mute dog in Goofy). I would also happily sign Bergmanson's petition, though I'd prefer then to see Corzine himself exiled to the outer reaches of the galaxy.

Posted by cathar | March 25, 2008 10:53 AM
 

Thanks for your support guys, but what I really need is signatures!

RChanin is right, while 1.3 million is no picnic, getting each of the circulators to notarize their petitions is the real challenge, that's at least 250,000 notarized signatures.

That said, it's not impossible. People complain all the time that "there's nothing I can do" - well - this is something they CAN do. If everyone who is unhappy with the job Governor Corzine is doing were to download the petition, sign it, get it notarized and mail it in, we'd have more than enough signatures.

 

Mayor Bergmanson (I think you deserve the title even now), if you'll list a time and place where your people will be collecting signatures, I'll gladly show up to sign. Either petition, in fact.

Posted by cathar | March 25, 2008 11:05 AM
 

(Can we include the other bearded wonder- Alverez?)

What? No one wants to get "our house in order" by raising more taxes?

Where do I sign?

Posted by profwilliams | March 25, 2008 11:10 AM
 

Will do, Mayor Carl. I hope the notary doesn't blanch at a paw print.

Posted by walleroo | March 25, 2008 11:14 AM
 

Come on everyone! Corzine was really brave and limped in your(Mtc.) Independence Day parade and now you want to give him the boot!?

What kind of gratitude is that.

I like Corzine. He sports a full beard and I, myself, sport a beard, compensating for my MPB no doubt, but anyway Prof, WTF do you have against beards? Don't you know it's a manly pursuit to become hirsuite.

Posted by MellonBrush | March 25, 2008 11:30 AM
 

Shoot, I can't spell hirsute.

Posted by MellonBrush | March 25, 2008 11:31 AM
 

Perhaps, in a sort of Freudian slip, MellonBrush, you really meant to tyoe in "hair shirt?" (No matter the spellings, too.)

Posted by cathar | March 25, 2008 11:34 AM
 

Signatures from China are on sale at Wal-Mart. They must have lots of them... :)

But my serious question is who, according to the Byzantine laws of the State of New Jersey, would be become Governor in case Corzine is recalled? I mean, the Tri-State area has had to pull out these parliamentary procedures a lot in the past few years: Rowland in Connecticut, McGreevy in New Jersey, and Spitzer in New York. Would it be Codey again? Or could we stage a write-in campaign for Walleroo, now that he has abandoned his Mayoral ambitions. Confused minds want to know.

Posted by Conan | March 25, 2008 11:34 AM
 

The prof must really love the Dick Van Dyke movie, "Some Kind of a Nut" from 1969. Dick grows a beard and everything thinks he's gone CRAAAAZY!

Posted by Spot The Looney | March 25, 2008 11:38 AM
 

You know what costs a lot of money and wastes a lot of time? Recall initiatives. And new elections.
How about work with the guy or work on ways to save your own constituents' money?

Posted by Drob | March 25, 2008 11:51 AM
 

Perhaps the reason that "the six towns with less than 10,000 residents cost less per person than the other 16 municipalities" is because those small towns are generally affluent, suburban, primarily residential towns such as Glen Ridge, Essex Fells, and the Caldwells that do not have the same costs of dealing with the greater density, aging infrastructure, and social issues of lower socioeconomic groups that are more prevelant in the larger towns in the eastern part of the county.

But it's still absurd for New Jersey to have as many municipalities and school districts as it does, with all the redundancy it brings.

And really Carl, is the best you can come up with? Recall Corzine? As if Corzine created the mess we are in today. If anybody should be recalled, it should the incumbent legislators who have presided over this mess for the last 20 years (such as "good guy" Dick Codey), or continue to cling to dual officeholding (such as John McKeon). You know, the people we keep returning to office. Your recall drive strikes me as little more than a temper tantrum.

I am far from being onboard with all of Corzine's proposals, but I respect that he is directly confronting our fiscal problems, instead of kicking the can down the road as so many of our borrow-and-spend governors and legislators have done.

One way or another, this is going to be painful. Our budget mess is not unlike the Iraq situaion in one sense: all the good options ran out long ago.

So let's say you get Corzine recalled. Then what?

What do we do then?

Posted by Pork Roll | March 25, 2008 11:53 AM
 

Save for Santa, I don't trust a man who chooses to hide his face.

Or any man who looks like Teen Wolf's father (Michael J. Fox, not Michael Landon).

And look, MPB is what it is... Don't grow hair where you can. Be bald. Be proud.

You gonna tell me Yul Brenner wasn't THE MAN?

Posted by profwilliams | March 25, 2008 12:03 PM
 

And for those who care, THIS of course was later in the film...

Posted by profwilliams | March 25, 2008 12:05 PM
 

Yeah Carl, there is something people can do, they can vote for somebody else. I think recalls are fine for malfeasance or misconduct but a recall for every politician who makes an unpopular decision is silly. We'll be having new elections every other year and then you'll get politicians who are even more afraid of making the tough calls. Do you really want a Gov who follows the every wave or eddy of public opinion? I'm no Corzine fan, but politicians already make bad decisions, or put off tough choices, for fear of not being relected. This will just make it worse.

Posted by State Street Pete | March 25, 2008 12:09 PM
 

1. If Montclair were to merge with Glen Ridge, could we get Carl to run for mayor?

2. If Montclair were to annex Pluto, would the there be enough of an increase in property tax revenues to offset the increased cost of snow plowing? Would Pluto's planetary status effect its property values?

Posted by BitPusher | March 25, 2008 12:10 PM
 

Okay, Prof, I gather now that both Telly Savalas and Andre Agassi are in your personal pantheon. But Lee Marvin was a much better actor and Roger Federer is a much better tennis player.

Posted by cathar | March 25, 2008 12:13 PM
 

Cathar,

I will be in front of the GR post office Saturday 10-1

 

You can also "self-circulate" by signing the petition and then getting it notarized with you signing as the circulator.

 

Conan:

In NJ, a recalled Governor is replaced the same way as one who resigns, so yes, Governor Codey.

And while I didn't always agree with him, Dick Codey was a much better governor.

 

If nominated, I would accept. If elected, I would hide under my desk.

Posted by walleroo | March 25, 2008 12:51 PM
 

Count me in. And to think that at one time, I was willing to give this guy (Corzine) the benefit of the doubt. He turned out to everything I thought he would be and some.

Posted by Miss Martta | March 25, 2008 12:57 PM
 

BitPusher, why would you want someone that has the respect of town folk equal to Michaelson running for office again? (Just read the exchanges in the town paper at council meetings in GR). As a "self-identified Whig", and his campaign against evolving science, I wouldn't be surprised if he was also a flat earther. Nice self promotion however.
I still say Corzine is smart enough to present things that he can't just sign into law as extremes that get the ball rolling. He is steering the machine by getting more people talking and involved, making a compromise to something good for the state rather than business as usual. He's beating them at their own game, if he proposed the correct initiatives from the get go, they would be watered down by the legislators to half (or worse) of what is needed; by setting the bar to the other extreme we might actually get somewhere. As far a Cody being a better Governor, he's a nice guy anyway.

Posted by Y.A.Duck | March 25, 2008 1:04 PM
 

Pork Roll:

I've written here before about why reducing the number of towns would not reduce redundancy and would not save any money, so I won't get into it on my lunch break. If you go to the website, on the right-hand side there is a link the says "knowledge is Power" which gets you to the Star Ledger's "by the numbers" site, which has a lot of great municipal and school info. Study the numbers, and you'll see that size has almost nothing to do with costs.

In any case, I wasn't arguing that the big towns should be forced to break up, just that the premise that bigger is more efficient is incorrect. There are many reasons that different towns cost more or less (The biggest predictor is how much money does the town have access to - the more they can get, the more they tend to spend - just like individuals). That is why it is so wrong to do what the Governor did and say:

"We're going to cut all aid to the towns with less than 5,000 and half the aid to the towns with less than 10,000."

It's wrong because it's arbitrary.

It's wrong because it has no basis in fact.

And, perhaps most of all, it's wrong because he knows that not one town is going to consolidate because of it, so it's really just a cynical ploy to steal money from towns that are too small to fight back (in a conventional way that is).

 

Corzine only cares about himself, his money and his business cronies. If you think he gives a hoot about the welfare of the state of NJ, there's a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to talk to you about.

Posted by Miss Martta | March 25, 2008 1:23 PM
 

State Street:

It's not one decision, it's virtually every decision. And, unfortunately, our elections now-a-days are more about how much money you have, and are willing to spend. Recall how Corzine bought up all the County Machines (save Essex) and "won" the Democratic Primary with there ever being a vote.

Fortunately, he can't buy his way out of this as easily.

 

Duck,

Being an effective elected official is not a popularity contest, nor should it be. I will put my record as mayor up against anyone's, and by any standard of measure, my 4 years as mayor left the town in superb physical and financial condition, all while keeping my promise to reduce overall tax increases (average of 5.15% per year), and to fully restore the Capital Improvement Fund (it was $700,000 short when I became mayor).

I could go on, but frankly, this ain't about me, it's about Jon Corzine, he's doing a terrible job, and he's got to go.

 

This is not original, maybe it was Waleroo or Miss M who voiced it first a while back, but the bloggers all agreed that if McGreevy had had a better beard, he might still be governor... :)

Posted by Conan | March 25, 2008 1:40 PM
 

oops - Should have read:

Recall how Corzine bought up all the County Machines (save Essex) and "won" the Democratic Primary WITHOUT there ever being a vote.

 

One more thing Duck:

I'm not against "evolving science", I'm against bad science, especially bad science driven by politics. The IAU, for political reasons, VOTED against the recomendations of their own scientific committee with their ridiculous new definition of "planet".

 

"RESOLUTION B5
Definition of a Planet in the Solar System
Contemporary observations are changing our understanding of planetary systems, and it is important that our nomenclature for objects reflect our current understanding. This applies, in particular, to the designation "planets". The word "planet" originally described "wanderers" that were known only as moving lights in the sky. Recent discoveries lead us to create a new definition, which we can make using currently available scientific information.
The IAU therefore resolves that planets and other bodies, except satellites, in our Solar System be defined into three distinct categories in the following way:
(1) A planet1 is a celestial body that
(a) is in orbit around the Sun,
(b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and
(c) has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit.
(2) A "dwarf planet" is a celestial body that
(a) is in orbit around the Sun,
(b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape2,
(c) has not cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit, and
(d) is not a satellite.
(3) All other objects3,except satellites, orbiting the Sun shall be referred to collectively as "Small Solar System Bodies"."


"Pluto was discovered in 1930 by a fortunate accident. Calculations which later turned out to be in error had predicted a planet beyond Neptune, based on the motions of Uranus and Neptune. Not knowing of the error, Clyde W. Tombaugh at Lowell Observatory in Arizona did a very careful sky survey which turned up Pluto anyway.
After the discovery of Pluto, it was quickly determined that Pluto was too small to account for the discrepancies in the orbits of the other planets. The search for Planet X continued but nothing was found. Nor is it likely that it ever will be: the discrepancies vanish if the mass of Neptune determined from the Voyager 2 encounter with Neptune is used. There is no Planet X. But that doesn't mean there aren't other objects out there, only that there isn't a relatively large and close one like Planet X was assumed to be. In fact, we now know that there are a very large number of small objects in the Kuiper Belt beyond the orbit of Neptune, some roughly the same size as Pluto."

Sounds like political to me.

Posted by Y.A.Duck | March 25, 2008 2:12 PM
 

Duck,

I'm sure you, with your ability to cut and paste wikipedia, know much more about the subject than Alan Stern, or the hundreds of other geoplanetary scientists who heve refused to accept this definition (which applies only to our solar system btw).

However, this is not about the IAU, it's about Jon Corzine, he's doing a terrible job, and he's got to go.

 

Didn't what's his name at the Am Mus of Nat Hist in NY remove Pluto from the list of planets for an exhibit a few years ago? He's smarter than Duck, surely. (No offense, Duck.)

Posted by walleroo | March 25, 2008 2:41 PM
 

"Recall how Corzine bought up all the County Machines (save Essex) and "won" the Democratic Primary with there ever being a vote."

did you mean this or maybe this as examples of what that means.

You could never be offensive wally (as long as you continue to shower every day).
None of that, although cut and pasted, was from wikipedia, and by political did you mean this?

"Space News: Ever since the 1990s several missions to Pluto have been proposed but quickly abandoned due to budgetary constraints. What made New Horizons less costly?

Alan Stern: We made sure that the design and build/test effort of New Horizons was carried out by a relatively small, tightly knit team who stayed focused on requirements and paid close attention to ensure that we never strayed far from what was absolutely necessary to carry out the mission.
NASA has almost $700 million invested in New Horizons, and it's a very highly visible demonstration of U.S. space leadership. We need to ensure that we don't screw up the mission we've worked so hard to sell, build and launch by cutting corners in how we operate it. As I have said many times, it's our job on the project to be good stewards of New Horizons as it makes its crossing of the solar system.
Of course Pluto is a planet: It's massive enough to have its shape controlled by gravity rather than material strength, which is the hallmark of planethood. I think it's exciting that we're discovering whole new classes of planetary bodies like the ice dwarfs, of which Pluto is the charter member."

Doesn't sound like Mr. Stern has a different opinion (as #2 from the IAU website states) except in spin for his project.

Posted by Y.A.Duck | March 25, 2008 3:12 PM
 

Carl,

Perhaps we should also address the Star Ledger which has supported Corzine's plan to force consolidation of small towns even though there own information does not support such a plan.

Posted by MMM | March 25, 2008 3:14 PM
 

"Didn't what's his name at the Am Mus of Nat Hist in NY remove.."

I think you mean Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Posted by MMM | March 25, 2008 3:18 PM
 

As long as we're going off topic to Pluto...I met Mr. Tombaugh when he came to the Newark Museum to discuss the circumstances around his discovery of Pluto. Fascinating man and very, very nice. He went into great detail about the painstaking process used to discover new objects at that time.

Oddly, my father worked as part of the team that made the guidance systems for both Voyager spacecrafts. As Duck mentions, Voyager 2 determined that there really was no Planet X, ultimately showing that what Mr. Tombaugh was looking for did not exist.

My father passed in 1993, but it gives me great joy to "his" Voyagers still making their way though, and now beyond, our solar system.

Posted by State Street Pete | March 25, 2008 3:18 PM
 

Cool SSP, my Mom's was only her telescope, now mine, and her lessons in astronomy.

Posted by Y.A.Duck | March 25, 2008 3:32 PM
 

Duck,

You should read your own posts:

"Of course Pluto is a planet: It's massive enough to have its shape controlled by gravity rather than material strength, which is the hallmark of planethood."

Note that this is the definition that the IAU's own Scientific Committee recommended, and that they voted to overrule.

As for your more on-topic links to the NY Times,I think it was pretty clear I was speaking specifically about the 2005 Democratic Primary for Governor.

Wally,

I've spoken (electronically) quite a bit with Neil deGrasse Tyson (as MMM points out, that's who you were thinking of) on this subject, and it is a very interesting subject (which I believe you will be hearing more about by the end of the year), but I'd like to keep this discussion on point, specifically, that Jon Corzine has got to go.

MMM,

That is a very good point, but I've got to pick my battles. Interestingly, in a more recent editorial (today or perhaps yesterday), they again come down against the aid cuts based on population.

I've got to go now all, but I'll check back tonight, or feel free to email me directly.

 

"Duck,

You should read your own posts:

"Of course Pluto is a planet: It's massive enough to have its shape controlled by gravity rather than material strength, which is the hallmark of planethood."(convenient to leave off the last part of that quote.)

Note that this is the definition that the IAU's own Scientific Committee recommended, and that they voted to overrule."

Which vote did you count Carl, Florida's?

website

"RESOLUTION 6A
The IAU further resolves:

"Pluto is a "dwarf planet" by the above definition and is recognized as the prototype of a new category of trans-Neptunian objects."

Maybe you should read all the posts and take prof's course on reading comprehension. But really you know that it's only the down grading of Pluto to "dwarf planet" (which the good Mr. Stern calls it) from "Planet". The 2006 definitions at this point make perfect sense.

But you are familiar with all that, since you are an "additional supporter" here, the only thing is the denial of the later resolutions in August of 06.

As far as Senate or Governor, the concept is the same and even less links any "buying" to the latter. Most of those accusations were for the Senate seat.

Posted by Y.A.Duck | March 25, 2008 4:43 PM
 

NJ is over budget and in huge amounts of debt. Corzine said he wants to run the state as a company. When a company is in debt it can either:

A) Increase revenue streams
B) Sell off valuable assets to down-play the debt
C) Perform layoffs and/or close plants to bring operating costs down.

The trick is to balance the 3 options without diminishing service too far below what your clients are used to (we, the voters, are the clients in this case)

A = Raising taxes. They did that and people raised high-holy hell.

B = See the Parkway / Turnpike fiasco. Definitely not the way to go (look how well it worked when we privatized the DMV) and again, people are raising hell about it.

C = In this analogy, that means cutting state/county/town jobs and consolidating responsibilities/services.

Carl (or anyone else): Do you have any realistic ideas that we could implement that would get this state back into shape without having to resort to the options listed above.

If you do, I'd be happy to vote for you in the next gubernatorial election. But, this recall you're trying to accomplish is only going to serve to getting the state more in debt than it already is.

Corzine may not be doing a great job, but at least he's trying the tricks he knows without outright sacking the thousands or people who would need to lose their jobs to truly bring us back under budget.

Posted by Generically named Mike | March 25, 2008 4:43 PM
 

More important, do you have any realistic ideas about how to get funding for a manned trip to Pluto?

Posted by walleroo | March 25, 2008 6:35 PM
 

So I ask once again, after Corzine is recalled (although I think that effort has as good a chance as the discovery of life on Pluto), what then?

Of course, then Dick Codey becomes our governer, again. Then what? Dick Codey is going to hold the legislature's feet to the fire and restore fiscal sanity? The same get-along, go-along Dick Codey who, in his 20 or so years in the legislature, has been as much of a contributer to this problem as anyone?

This is typical "throw da bums out" knee-jerk reactionary theatrics.

Posted by Pork Roll | March 25, 2008 6:43 PM
 

Ask Donald and Mickey wally, they live under the back porch. (I hear they have Bush's ear for plans after the manned Mars landing, they're trying to get the twins in line for a co-presidency; Titan is in close competition though.)

Posted by Y.A.Duck | March 25, 2008 6:52 PM
 

Carl Sagan is spinning in his grave.

Carl's pretty pissed off about Pluto too.

Posted by crank | March 25, 2008 7:05 PM
 

Pork,

At this point, Corzine has demonstrated, to me at least, that he is not able to do the job, and frankly does not know what he is doing.

I may not agree with Dick Codey on a number of things, but he can do the job, and knows what he's doing.

A recall gives us a choice between another year of Corzine, or another year of Codey. Having seen both in action, frankly, it's not even close.

GNM,

I didn't run for Governor and promise a whole bunch of things I did not deliver. It's true that tough choices have to be made, but nothing that Corzine has done leads me to believe that he is capable of doing that in a way that is fair, or in a way that will actually result in anything positive.

And what additional cost are you talking about? There is no additional cost to the state for this recall election, just an extra line on the ballot on November 4th (we're already having an election that day).

It sure is easy for you guys to criticize me for trying to do something about the mess the state is in, but you guys don't even have the guts to sign what you write. What have you ever done for anyone other than yourselves?

[cue crickets]

I have done non-profit and volunteer work my entire life. I served the town for 13 years, for free, and was proud to do it. I have always been willing to stand up for what I thought was right, even when it wasn?t popular. You ask anyone who knows me, anyone who?s worked with me, anyone who?s served with me, they?ll all tell you the same.

The state is in big trouble and it's clear to me that the guy in charge has no idea what to do about it. There really aren't a lot of options here, so I'm taking a shot at the best one we have. If we succeed, we?ll be a little better off, and maybe we send a message to the powers that be; if we fail, we are no worse off, but at least we tried.

 

"but you guys don't even have the guts to sign what you write. What have you ever done for anyone other than yourselves?"

Carl, I appreciate that you post here and are the one of the few area pols who is willing to have a public discussion. I also respect that you are taking on an issue like this, even though I disagree with you. But if you are going to take on an issue like this you have to know you are going to get some shots taken at you. You also don't know what people here have done with their lives and the reasons why they may not want to id themselves, and statements like those above don't do your cause a lot of good.

Posted by State Street Pete | March 25, 2008 8:50 PM
 

Carl,

I do not doubt your sincerity, I do not doubt your altruism, and I do not doubt your dedication to Glen Ridge and the other causes you have served. Although I've only been in Baristaville for two years now, what I've read informs me that you are a good man.

But your history of good works does not confer you with infallibility on this issue. I still think you are misguided about the recall. If you achieve momentum, it will only serve to distract the governor from dealing with the budget crisis, will embolden the special interests to dig in, and will give the legislature cover for weaseling out of making difficult and painful decisions on the budget (yet again).

And as one of the co-founders of Baristanet, you surely realize that posting under pseudonyms is the norm in the blogosphere. Not that anybody would even know who I am if I used my real name anyway, so what's the point? This has been a very civil discussion devoid of any ad hominum attacks, so there is nothing for anyone to hide from. I would just as gladly have a lively discussion about this with you in person as on here (animated political discussions are a family tradition).

So, I'm not wishing you good luck on your petition drive. But if you ever start a movement I could support, such as one to eliminate defined-benefit pensions for public employees in favor of defined-contribution plans like most of the rest of us have, I'll be at the train station with my clipboard!

Posted by Pork Roll | March 25, 2008 9:57 PM
 

You go Carl.....loathe corzine....I promise to sign!

Posted by Stella Blue | March 26, 2008 12:10 AM
 

Carl,

Please see Pork Roll's post for the longer version of my response (no need for me to type out more-or-less the exact same thing). But, to address a few of your specific points:

This is what CA figured it would cost them to do a recall.

Also, I do not think Corzine is doing a good job. I especially do not think he is doing all of the things he promised in his election campaign. But, he is a politician, so (and no offense here) I did not expect him to.

In fact, I think his handling of the budget crisis in this state is much akin to the Three Stooges trying to put out a fire. But, the option you present me with is another year of the long-seated Dick Cody as governor.

Personally, I'd take Shemp... feeble as he may be... trying to put out that blaze rather than one of the arsons who started it in the first place (or at least has done nothing thus far to put it out).

Posted by Generically named Mike | March 26, 2008 7:23 AM
 

"But, he is a politician, so (and no offense here) I did not expect him to."

I myself am guilty of this defeatist philosophy but if we want things to change for the better we have to stop thinking this way. We have got to expect more from our elected officials than just business as usual. We elected them (well, I didn't personally vote for Corizine), we can throw da bums out.

Posted by Miss Martta | March 26, 2008 9:04 AM
 

MM,

I'm all for "throwing da bum out" come the next election. But, I think reinstating Mr. "Don't rock the boat" Cody via recall will be the very definition of returning to business as usual.

Posted by Generically named Mike | March 26, 2008 9:41 AM
 

GNM,

The California recall was a SPECIAL election. If you look at all the costs in your link, they are all related to having an additional election specifically for a recall (You know - like the $10,000,000 we just wasted having an additional primary this year).

NJ has the additional option of including the recall as part of the general election. This is the option we chose (it says so right on the petition). Because of this, there is virtually no additional cost to the taxpayer.

Ms. Martta answered this second point quite well, but I would just add that I know for a fact that it is possible to run for office, win, and then do what you said you would do. It's just a lot harder.

Finally, you say:

"But, the option you present me with is another year of the long-seated Dick Cody as governor"

That is the only option the statutes allow, frankly I'd prefer that we be able to do what California does and hold a simultaneous election for his replacement, but that is not an option.

So it is just as I said above:

A recall gives us a choice between another year of Corzine, or another year of Codey. Having seen both in action, frankly, it's not even close.

You and I will have to disagree about which is worse, but I will agree with you that Corzine is like Shemp (who was not even a particularly good stooge) trying to put out a fire. As someone who has seen every Stooges short, I can tell you that there is only one possible result.

At least Dick Codey knows what he is doing.

 

Codey already has an arena named after him. Does he really need to be Governor AGAIN? Hasn't he got enough?

Posted by crank | March 26, 2008 9:51 AM
 

Bottom Line:

Jon Corzine is doing a terrible job and has got to go!

and that will have to be my last word on the subject for this thread, as you might imagine, I'm pretty busy.

 

"I know for a fact that it is possible to run for office, win, and then do what you said you would do. It's just a lot harder."

Or you don't promise what you can't possibly deliver. This is not rocket science.

Posted by Miss Martta | March 26, 2008 10:00 AM
 

Carl,

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree about which scenario is better for the state.

Like others above, I applaud you for doing what you feel is right and wish you the best of luck with it.

Posted by Generically named Mike | March 26, 2008 10:17 AM
 

"I will put my record as mayor up against anyone's, and by any standard of measure, my 4 years as mayor left the town in superb physical and financial condition, all while keeping my promise to reduce overall tax increases (average of 5.15% per year), and to fully restore the Capital Improvement Fund (it was $700,000 short when I became mayor)."

Carl: I just looked up our municipal taxes on the boro website for the last 4 years: 8.86% in '07 (which would have been higher if you had your way with Hurrell Field), 2.6% in '06, 6.21% in '05, and 6.23% in '04. These average to 5.98%. How do you get 5.15%?

As for increasing the capital account by $700K, that is the primary reason our taxes went up 8.86% for '07, in spite of your publicly blaming those who opposed the bonds for the hike. Yet as one of your last acts as mayor, you would have depleted that account in a last ditch effort to turf Hurrell in spite of the public's opposition to it. You were stopped only by the council's unwillingness to raid the capital account and participate in a shell game, even though you tried to force the issue by closing Hurrell Field without council's prior knowledge or consent. It's a little misleading to take credit for building something you tried
to drain.

I would not be stating any of this publicly if you had not been singing your own praises so publicly.

As far as unseating Corzine,
it's a misguided investment of energy which doesn't address the real issue: NJ is broke. Either we should channel our energy into finding acceptable cuts, or we should channel our energy into raising revenues, or both. Corzine has at least had the political courage to tackle this, unlike any of his predecessors since Florio.
I too don't like him, and I don't agree with his tactic of punishing small towns, but I'm willing to give him credit for tackling the problem. Rather than take him down with no real alternative solution offered, I'd encourage our legislators to come up with better solutions.

Posted by Kit Schackner | March 26, 2008 5:08 PM
 

1) I became Mayor in 2004.

Glen Ridge Tax rates:

Year Rate % over last
2003 $12.76
2004 $13.34 4.55%
2005 $14.27 6.97%
2006 $15.06 5.54%
2007 $15.61 3.65%

4.55
6.97
5.54
+ 3.65
---------------
= 20.71

20.71 divided by 4 =

5.17%

Which, I think, is close enough to 5.15% for a citation from memory (I think we were originally at 5.15%, but then one of the rates was adjusted up a little at a later time).

2) Your statement:

(which would have been higher if you had your way with Hurrell Field)

has it exactly backwards. The rate would have been still lower, in fact, substantially lower, had the bonding for Hurrell gone through, because certain expenses would have been paid over time, instead of just in 2007. The Council published the budget with both options, so it is easily verified.

3) By state statute, the Mayor, and only the Mayor (or someone in his Administration), has the authority to close a Borough-owned field in that situation (although tha Mayor can be overruled by the Council at a subsequent Council Meeting, the fact is that the Council, including Councilwoman Baker, supported the decision). That said, the full Council was notified of my decision by email within minutes.

Finally, regarding the Capital Improvement Fund, the only money I proposed taking out of the Capital Improvement Fund for Hurrell was the money designated for use for Capital Improvements on Hurrell in 2007 & 2008. Had the Council gone with the proposal I put forward, the Capital Improvement Fund would still have been fully funded, in fact I explicitly said at the meeting in question that I would only support the proposal if that were the case.

 

Yo, Carl. We have a bone to pick with you. We came down to the GR Post Office around 12:30 today and you were nowhere to be found. :-(

Posted by Miss Martta | March 29, 2008 5:19 PM
 

Oh, Carl! Say it ain't so!

Posted by walleroo | March 29, 2008 5:30 PM
 

MM

I was there until about 12:30, you must have just missed me, sorry.

Call me at (973) 748-4020 or email me at carl@RecallCorzineNow.com and we can figure out how to get you both signed up. That goes for anyone else I missed or who wants to sign too.

 

The reinstatement of Pluto's planet status is NOT a lost cause. Given the surreptious manner in which four percent of the IAU voted and the fact that their new planet definition makes no lingusitic sense, the chances of getting the demotion overturned are quite good.

I too admire anyone willing to stand up for his or her beliefs regardless of the chances of success or the popularity of the position. As to Corzine, he has utterly failed in his effort to distance himself from the corruption of the New Jersey political establishment. From 98 proposals on property tax reform, all he could muster up the courage to do was the same tired old rebates, which themselves entail administrative cost. He has done nothing to back up Public Advocate Ronald Chen in fighting eminent domain abuse. He has appointed BPU president Jeanne Fox for another six-year term in spite of the fact that she is under investigation for mismanagement of the $100 million Clean Energy Fund, over which no one had oversight, giving out no bid contracts to friends and former BPU employees. Even the State Senate is now refusing to confirm her until the whistle blower lawsuit over this is settled. Corzine also held on to another politician under federal investigation, Susan Bass Levin. It seems that instead of standing up to corruption in Trenton, he chose to make a deal with the devil instead.

 

I wish I had the spare time like this guy had to organize a recall. I guess organizing a recall is free. Why do adults act like children when they don't get their own way? If NJ didn't have so much waste and overspending in the past administrations, there wouldn't be any need for such drastic measures. But alas, there is a need. if you want a fairtale ending, you should go to Disneyland, because in NJ, sh*t ain't like that. It's all *ucked up!

Posted by Khan Noonien Singh | April 11, 2008 9:58 AM
 
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