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Grabowsky To Girl Scouts: Get A Permit!

Wednesday, March 5, 2008

It's Girl Scout cookie selling season and for the last few weekends, girls have set up their tables on locations around Montclair, including Valley Road, Watchung Avenue, Church Street, and in front of various retail stores. But (cue sinister music now) is it legal?

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Earlier this month, Troop 239 ran into some trouble some two hours after they began selling cookies in front of a closed jewelry store outside the Hinck Building on Church Street, a building owned by Montclair developer Dick Grabowsky (full disclosure -- my daughter was one of the girl scouts selling that day).

Grabowsky approached parents who had accompanied the girls and said the scouts were not allowed to sell cookies on the sidewalk in front of his building because their cookie sale would violate a non-compete clause in the lease of his tenant, gourmet cookie store Gimme Jimmy's, and they didn't have a permit. Then he asked the girls to move. The group dismantled their tables and set up shop in front of Gallery 51. But did they really have to move?

Baristanet called the township clerk's office to find out if Grabowsky was right. The clerk's assistant didn't know if a permit was required to sell Girl Scout cookies on the streets of Montclair, since she couldn't recall the question ever coming up.

Township attorney, Alan Trembulak was surprised by the question. Trembulak checked the books and found Ordinance 238, which says that technically, a non-profit like the Girl Scouts had to obtain a peddlers permit ($10) to set up in a public right of way. To his knowledge, this has never been done before. He commented that the town has been tolerant of this practice in the past, and practically speaking, in this situation, it's unlikely the town would enforce this ordinance, issue a citation or prosecute kids who were engaged in a fundraising activity. And if the scouts did apply for a sidewalk permit, the town would not have to get approval from any merchant or landlord.

"I am the town, just as you are, and I feel it's my obligation to look after my tenants," says Grabowsky, when asked why he took it upon himself to enforce the ordinance. "It's [the sidewalk] not public property - I paid $175,000 to have the sidewalks in front of my building fixed - the town isn't paying for it."

Gimme Jimmy's owner Michael Rappaport told Baristanet that scouts have been selling cookies on Church Street for the past three years, and there's never been an incident. "I never objected to it. Nobody asked me, but I have no problem with their selling cookies. If Dick had been able to reach me, I would've said OK - no problem, but it's his sidewalk, his private property, and he had no choice."

The moral of the story? Get a permit if you want to sell cookies, lemonade, celery sticks or anything else for fundraising in front of the Hinck Building. Or, just go in front of the Supercuts on Valley Road or outside the shopping plaza on Claremont Ave., where owners might be more, err, Girl Scout friendly. And girls, just file it under learning life skills.

Posted by Annette Batson on March 5, 2008 1:36 PM
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Youre a dick, Dick.

Posted by jimmy229oz | March 5, 2008 2:04 PM
 

Yep... Dick's name says it all.

Posted by Generically named Mike | March 5, 2008 2:15 PM
 

Dick is related to scrooge and has a very small cold cold heart.

Posted by Belletones | March 5, 2008 2:15 PM
 

So, Dick, for those several days a year when the young women of Montclair (and, dare I say, the entire country) learn the techniques and qualities of good retailing (e.g., customer service...), and, perhaps, even bring people into your store, you feel compelled to show them the nastier side of business with your forced march and "non-compete". What about the boy scouts with their popcorn? Sidewalk sales? I am sorry for the owner of the Gimme Jimmy's franchise, because I certainly won't support a business that supports you.

Posted by spaceck | March 5, 2008 2:30 PM
 

"It's Girl Scout cookie selling season and for the last few weekends, girls have set up their tables on locations around Montclair, including Valley Road, Watchung Avenue, Church Street, and in front of various retail stores."

I'd be curious to know if other landlords/merchants have complained. I would bet the farm that they have not.

There are so many levels here to wrap by brain around. Technically speaking, according to Mr. Trembulak, the organization needs a permit. But, as he and others admit, this is the first time it's been an issue.

If merchants such as Mr. Rappaport don't have a problem, then why should Mr. Grabowsky? I'm assuming the girls are being supervised by an adult so what exactly is the problem here?

Frankly, I'd much rather see the Girl Scouts peddling their wares on the sidewalk than some of the lunatic fringe political groups and organizations of late. Do they need permits, too?

Posted by Miss Martta | March 5, 2008 2:35 PM
 

I guess this guy falls under the heading, "It ain't easy being sleazy"

Posted by Twinkle Toes | March 5, 2008 2:36 PM
 

Cool! I didn't realize I owned the sidewalks in front of my house when i had them redone. From now on, I would appreciate it if you would all: Keep Off My Sidewalks.

Posted by Endeavor | March 5, 2008 2:37 PM
 

spaceck, you rant, but you don't read.

"Gimme Jimmy's owner Michael Rappaport told Baristanet that scouts have been selling cookies on Church Street for the past three years, and there's never been an incident.?I never objected to it. Nobody asked me, but I have no problem with their selling cookies. If Dick had been able to reach me, I would've said OK - no problem, but it's his sidewalk, his private property, and he had no choice."

And Dick should learn that he may have paid for the sidewalk, but it's not his private property, check with the authorities next time Dick.

Posted by Y.A.Duck | March 5, 2008 2:40 PM
 

I am not defending the landlords right to do what he did, but if the girls' parents' took the time to chaperone the girls on the street, why can't they take it one step further and accompany them while the girls go door to door in their neighborhoods? It worked in the "old days"...and I think it still would work now.

Posted by s2007 | March 5, 2008 2:41 PM
 

Dick is a horse's ass! I bet he also kicks dogs and old ladies.

Posted by Anne Prince | March 5, 2008 2:42 PM
 

For a guy who claims to be trying to "upscale" downtown Montclair, sounds like he pretty much is doing his best to ruin it for everyone.
Is it really news that this guy is a total loser? I believe it's been established before.

Posted by Drob | March 5, 2008 2:43 PM
 

"...why can't they take it one step further and accompany them while the girls go door to door in their neighborhoods?"

Yes, I don't know why they stopped doing this. I mean, I know why they stopped having kids go door-to-door by themselves and rightfully so. But why can't Mom or Dad go with them?

Posted by Miss Martta | March 5, 2008 2:46 PM
 

Frankly, I'm glad he "removed" the girlscouts - I find them rather aggressive and their trans-fat laden cookies rather disgusting and I never quite know how to get around them....

While I don't always agree with Dick's tactics, I would say that it is his perogative to do what he wants to on his own property. I will also say that his buildings are among the nicest looking, and best restored in Montclair. I can't imagine it's easy to attract good upscale tenants right now, and the ones that he does seem to have are all excellent. While I wish he had more tenants along Bloomfield Avenue, I think he's done a very good job, and I also think he is right not to take just any retailer, but to wait for the right ones. You may not agree with his style, but I believe he has the town's best interests at heart.

Posted by seventeen | March 5, 2008 2:54 PM
 

What a jackass.
He's got way too much time on his hands.

Posted by MTCmommy | March 5, 2008 3:04 PM
 

As a developer dick has done some great things. restored some pretty run down buildings, and didnt cut corners on cost. Church St, however, has a culture of its own. people interact on the street there, and enjoy looking in windows and buying ice cream off the sidewalk. Does dick own the whole street?

Posted by jimmytown | March 5, 2008 3:05 PM
 

"I am the town..."

And statements like this one don't help you win friends and influence people.

Posted by Miss Martta | March 5, 2008 3:08 PM
 

Well 17, if your not Dick's wife or secretary, you must be Dick. It was not his "private property", it is a public right of way regulated by the town. Call them if you think there is a problem.

Posted by Y.A.Duck | March 5, 2008 3:09 PM
 

One of your Ads by Google on the right panel of this page cleverly picks up the topic and offers links to it on eBay. Unfortunately, the ad now reads:

Girl scouts

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Not exactly the kind of personal ads we want on Baristanet, is it?

Posted by Conan | March 5, 2008 3:11 PM
 

And where is Ed when you need a comment on a town idiot like this, composing his next snarky comment about a poster?

Posted by Y.A.Duck | March 5, 2008 3:14 PM
 

Dick is merely following a long family tradition. Back in the 18th century an ancestor of Dick's, King Dick IV of France, uttered his famous observation that "l'etat c'est moi". Today's Dick has to settle for the sidewalk.

I'll tell you this, though. If Dick or anyone else gets in my way when I'm buying Thin Mints, then "there will be blood".

Posted by croiagusanam | March 5, 2008 3:21 PM
 

If there is indeed blood, croiagusanam (and can I have a hand in picking who gets bloodied?), I hope you'll give me a sip of your milkshake.

Posted by cathar | March 5, 2008 3:37 PM
 

Cro,

I'm with you regarding the 'Thin Mint' cookies. I can eat a whole box in one sitting, no problem.

Posted by MellonBrush | March 5, 2008 3:50 PM
 

"And where is Ed ...?"

Isn't leadership at the heart of the problem? In this case, a lack of leadership. Especially during this period of robust change, our township needs leadership with the intelligence and courage to set a new vision for the town and to help the diverse stakeholders to find common ground in making that vision real.

Posted by Nana | March 5, 2008 3:54 PM
 

I hereby urge all of Dick Grabassky's tenants to pay him in pennies!

Posted by Spicoli | March 5, 2008 4:02 PM
 

Good one, too bad they don't have half-pennies Spicoli.

Posted by Y.A.Duck | March 5, 2008 4:06 PM
 

You can own buildings without having an iota of class!

Posted by FoodieFamily | March 5, 2008 4:14 PM
 

No, I am neither Dick's wife, nor his secretary. I barely even know him, though we've met a couple of times at some charity functions (where he was more than generous, incidentally). I'm not even defending him, but I must say I see this a different way.

Let's review:
- You need a permit to solicit.
- They didn't have one.
- He asked them to leave.
- Their mother then found out that although you do need a permit, hardly anyone ever gets one.
- Their mother writes for Baristanet.

C'mon folks. Let's worry about real stuff, ok?

Posted by seventeen | March 5, 2008 4:33 PM
 

How can any slightly aware person even consider buying girl scout cookies anyway? Hydrogenated fats are banned from major cities' restaurants and many school districts nationwide. Even several fast food chains have stopped using them, but "wholesome" girl scout cookies are laden with them. As far as I am concerned, Dick did everyone on that side of the street a favor!

Posted by sodacracker | March 5, 2008 4:44 PM
 

I thought Dick billed self as "The Good Developer." No more, I guess. Sad.

Posted by crank | March 5, 2008 4:51 PM
 

If you hadn't noticed seventeen. This is a blog that does little but notice the little stuff. This is local news here. We need our targets for snarky comments. Dick volunteered by running off the girls scouts. We demand our fun! No, back to harpooning Dick please...

Posted by Cheese_with_your_wine? | March 5, 2008 4:56 PM
 

Girl friend? Mother? You sure take an exceptional interest in Dick rather than the Girl Scouts, even after the amazement of the town authorities and the tenant who supposedly was wronged. They aren?t supporting the heavy handed position of Dick.

Posted by Y.A.Duck | March 5, 2008 5:10 PM
 

17

- Dick's justification for asking them to leave was completely false. He does not control access to the sidewalks that border his property.
- Dick did not have the authorization to ask them to leave in the first place, regardless of whether they had a permit or not
-WTF! We're talking about 10 year old girls selling cookies. Step off Dick, step off!

...and Could Dewey, Cheatam and Howe (or any of their brethren) comment on the applicability of "de minimis non curat lex" in this case?

Posted by Spicoli | March 5, 2008 5:10 PM
 

what a Douche.

Posted by wojtaljr | March 5, 2008 5:21 PM
 

Sorry, I barely know the guy. He always seemed pretty smart and has a great sense of humor, which I guess will come in handy if he reads this.

Posted by seventeen | March 5, 2008 5:26 PM
 

I'm more concerned about the growing size of those who will be munching on the cookies! Perhaps a special tax based on the size of one's ass! LOL! Eat up, baby!

Posted by Laura Loonie | March 5, 2008 5:41 PM
 

The new vintage of ripple must have been delivered. Drink up Laura, and may Juliette Low be with you.

Posted by Y.A.Duck | March 5, 2008 5:46 PM
 

I thought the Girl Scouts eliminated the trans fats or hydrogenated fats or whatever that bad stuff is called from their cookies.

I'll have to check and get back to you as soon as I get my hands on a box of Thin Mints. I'll do some sampling as well. In fact, just in case there are still trace amounts of unhealthy things in the cookies, I shall dispense with the entire box swiftly and efficiently lest they tempt anyone else.

I'll be glad to take one for the team this time.

Posted by Pork Roll | March 5, 2008 6:19 PM
 

Why do I doubt "Pork Roll's" commitment to healthy snacks?

Posted by sodacracker | March 5, 2008 7:07 PM
 

I was so upset about this story that I just ate 5 Trefoils to drown my sorrows.

Posted by Miss Martta | March 5, 2008 10:03 PM
 

He's an ass. It's cookies for goodness sake.

And as far as his comments of him "owning the sidewalk" I am MOST CERTAIN that if someone got hurt on that sidewalk he wouldn't be claiming he owned it then.

I would love to tell Dick he should pay more attention to when Cianci has their garbage out in their hallway attracting little critters....that to me is where his "ass-ness" (is that a word?)would be more beneficial.

Posted by SB72 | March 5, 2008 10:35 PM
 

Selling door to door-

Perhaps the Girl Scout council takes into account that the safest means to sell their product is in the light of day on a safe sidewalk where the leaders and children are part of that community, as well as, patrons of the stores they stand and support in front of.


Perhaps you would enjoy a knock at night time where properties aren't well lit and liability falls on home owners.

Perhaps they consider not bothering people on Saturday mornings, as some groups do en mass while your still in your PJ's.

Or Halloweens where droves of cars from out of town and overage un-costumed "children"
knock on your door, well after your lights are out.

Perhaps they consider that people come home from work and don't want to be bothered by strangers ring their door bell, whether from fios,or polling politicos.

Or consider at dusk, a lone parent with child carrying cash make a victim in the making.

Instead, they send supervision and a group of gals with identification, and a table rather then drop kids off in the dark carrying with no permit, boxes of candy from some out of town non-organization while a van gathers them up.

Or they have themselves been hounded by door to door politicos who call just when dinner is going to be served.

Again instead, they allow children and their parents a safe well lit venue, out in the open, well identified group to feel part of the community where they live and serve.

They do this particular exercise to teach kids about handling money, earning for a special event, self esteem buildng, as well as, a feeling
that they part of a group that prides themselves on helping the community and meeting them.

They are proud to be Girl Scouts and Brownies and wear their badges with pride knowing they have earned them.

I, myself, am a proud parent of a brownie, as well as, a leader of her troop and am proud she is excited to participate in a community service organization that still believes in kindness, consideration and respect for themselves and others.

We also take orders for cookies from people who would like to donate to a charity.

So if you don't want to eat them yourself you can also buy them for perhaps a neighbor or shut in that you know and spread some cheer. Or drop them off they go well with venison.

I am furious that this occurred but nothing surprises
me--in a world where when you try to do the right thing there will always be critics.

I myself won't be traveling to those sidewalks that belong to this man, and I apologize to those business, but the owner has said it all and until he apologizes for scaring a mother and group of children you will miss my dollars.

My heart goes out to that group.

Posted by cstarling | March 6, 2008 9:29 AM
 

Please, please, please: all you members of MEWS, Times wrtiers and editors...ignore this one.

Please don't humiliate Montclair because of the actions of one heartless (and, in this case at least, brainless) developer...nor because of the support of very, very few (contrarians are part of the fun on these threads).

Really, we don't hate Girl Scouts...we even know the cookies aren't 'good' for us, but that knowledge is gladly overlooked by most because of the satisfaction we receive on so many levels from our annual treat.

And Mayor Ed...please don't publicly comment on this. Wise leadership sometimes lets common sense dictate... a public comment by the Mayor can only bring more attention to a very ill-advised action (my guess is Dick Grabosky is smart enough to know he made a boo-boo).

Posted by bruce | March 6, 2008 9:30 AM
 

The really important issue that I want to address is this: where are the girl scouts selling cookies this weekend? I have almost eaten through the first order that I purchased from a friend's child. I don't want to spend the weekend with the DTs from Do-si-do withdrawal.

Posted by Spicoli | March 6, 2008 9:42 AM
 

Why ignore this? A diverse wonderful group of children who do community service was ignorantly thrown off of a public area and embarassed
by a well known business man and who consequently brought this attention onto himself and the businesses he rents to.

Posted by cstarling | March 6, 2008 9:42 AM
 

They will be everywhere, hopefully, so support your girls Montclair!

Posted by cstarling | March 6, 2008 9:45 AM
 

The Scouts are perfectly welcome to set up shop on my sidewalk.
They would be well advised, however, to bring extra cases of Thin Mints and a credit card machine!

Posted by croiagusanam | March 6, 2008 9:52 AM
 

Don't let this one go Montclair. (Sorry we don't take credit cards sorry.)

These are the types of things that people should support-They are our future. And in the present they are starting out on the right foot!

Ifyou do have a business in town then contact the Girl Scout Council and they'll get a troop there if they can!

Posted by cstarling | March 6, 2008 9:59 AM
 

I wouldn't mind seeing a table set up on either side of his property, and if Dick tries to buy any gets a "no cookies for you".

Posted by Y.A.Duck | March 6, 2008 10:46 AM
 

Sure this is a minor incident in the grand scheme. But what do we want downtown Montclair to be? Of course "seventeen" used Dick's favorite word "upscale" in his/her post. My general take is that the word upscale is pretty much translated into "expensive". "Class" and "taste" don't necessarily have to fit into the equation in their imagining of "upscale".
Keep bullying 13 year old girls on the premise of non-competition clauses and other such utter, utter bullsh*t and you can have our downtown continue to not meet its true potential. Let's keep those sidewalks clear Dick, so we can have no interaction of any kind. Let's make certain people can park their Audis and Beemers and be able to dash from the curb into your upscale stores within encountering such inconveniences and "downscale" nuisances such as 12 year olds selling cookies.

Posted by Drob | March 6, 2008 11:05 AM
 

have to clear up one issue - there are no trans fats in girls scout cookies. from their website: "Girl Scouts of the USA is proud to announce that all Girl Scout cookies are now "zero trans fat per serving" with the same great taste that has made them one of America's favorite treats over the years". i love how some people on this board, get on their soapbox to talk about how bad the cookies are when they don't even know what they're talking about.

Posted by pb821 | March 6, 2008 11:28 AM
 

I am really interested in hearing Dick's side of this. Frankly, I'm surprised that he hasn't made an appearance to defend himself.

Posted by Miss Martta | March 6, 2008 11:33 AM
 

pb821, the statement about 0g trans fats is the way that the government allows food manufacturers to make the claim that they have "no trans fats" despite the fact that they still use partially hydrogenated oils. I looked at the Little Brownie and ABC cookie sites and all of the Girl Scout cookies have partially hydrogenated oils.

Now, please step off yer soapbox and drive through.

Posted by Spot The Looney | March 6, 2008 11:39 AM
 

I could never understand the whole hydrogenated oil thing. Not to brag, but I make delicious cookies of all kinds and never used ANY kind of oil in them.

Posted by Miss Martta | March 6, 2008 11:42 AM
 

Very well, Miss Martta, you too may set up shop on my sidewalk and sell your delicious, healthy cookies.
I will expect some "rent", however.

Posted by croiagusanam | March 6, 2008 11:52 AM
 

I amy take to doing just that, Cro, after getting my latest property tax bill!

Posted by Miss Martta | March 6, 2008 11:58 AM
 

The truth is when a product package or restaurant makes the claim ?zero grams fats?, it really means that there is most likely some trans fats in the product, it is just less than one gram per serving. One of the catches is in the words ?per serving?. What constitutes a serving? Also, when food companies use this claim, we have no way of knowing if it is .9 grams or .1 grams of trans fats per serving.

While lowering trans fats in these foods is a good step forward, it is a step backwards in deceptive advertising.

Posted by jimmytown | March 6, 2008 12:01 PM
 

As far as trans fat, from the FDA website:
"Food manufacturers are allowed to list amounts of trans fat with less than 0.5 gram (1/2 g) as 0 (zero) on the Nutrition Facts panel. As a result, consumers may see a few products that list 0 gram trans fat on the label, while the ingredient list will have "shortening" or "partially hydrogenated vegetable oil" on it. This means the food contains very small amounts (less than 0.5 g) of trans fat per serving."

Since most healthy talk comes up with no more than 2.5-3 grams of trans fats a day what you need to look at is serving size; I.E. a package of chocolate chip cookies can say 0% and still list some trans fats in the ingredients, serving size is one cookie. Along with all other things you might consume in a day it is pretty easy to go way over the limit.
I would suggest raising all your own food and then you can safely purchase and consume delicious Girl Scout cookies.

BTW, poor little Dick doesn't need to defend himself, he should have been one of the first posts (or any post since he's heard of the backlash by now) with an apology.

Posted by Y.A.Duck | March 6, 2008 12:14 PM
 

Earth to Grabowski

Just because you payed to fix the sidewalk doesn't make it your property. Look at your survey. For instance, the sidewalk in front of my house is on town property but I am still responsible for its upkeep.

Posted by BitPusher | March 6, 2008 12:16 PM
 

Indeed the double-speak of the zero grams trans fat claim not only wreaks havoc with our arteries and general health it also screws up youngsters trying to understand fractions. Anything less than one is equal to zero and doesn't count? Heaven forfend.

Posted by Spot The Looney | March 6, 2008 12:37 PM
 

So let's review:
- the retailer whose name Dick invoked has no problem with the girl scouts selling cookies there,
- the girl scouts move their cookie table all of 20 yards and continue selling cookies,
- and Dick makes himself look like a huge ass**** no less than three times in one stroke.

(1- running the girl scouts off, 2- spewing legal-sounding B.S. as justification for claiming the kids' cookies are competing with a business owner who he didn't even consult before using his name publicly, and 3 - "It's my sidewalk, you didn't pay for this sidewalk so get off of it.")

Who wins here, Dick? Not you, I can tell you, you ugly old man.

Posted by Amandala | March 6, 2008 12:39 PM
 

"I could never understand the whole hydrogenated oil thing. Not to brag, but I make delicious cookies of all kinds and never used ANY kind of oil in them."

Hydrogenated oils have a significantly longer shelf life, which is one reason that packaged food manufacturers prefer to use them. Same is true for high fructose corn syrup.

Posted by Spicoli | March 6, 2008 3:43 PM
 

Think I'll stick to making my own.

Posted by Miss Martta | March 7, 2008 1:57 PM
 

I loathe high fructose corn syrup!

Posted by Pork Roll | March 8, 2008 12:23 AM
 
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