Bushmobile Tours New Jersey

It takes a 28-ton bus to hold all of that? Not that I am a big fan of the Cheney administration (oh, sorry, George, I guess they never told you that you really weren't in charge), but wouldn't the money and biodiesel be better spent identifying candidates and platforms seeking to change this situation, rather than just heaping more bullshit on an already staggering pile?

One of the things important about history is to remember the true history." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 6, 2008

"...we?ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I?ve now been in 57 states?"

-- Obama

Maybe Harvard isn't what it used to be...

Although the BEST Bush quote is:

"Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their... their love, with women all across the country."

Idiots on wheels.

I dunno, I find it hard to pick a best, they just go on and on....

"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002

or

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004

We've always
"misunderestimated" Bush.

My favorite Bushism is "waves hello to singer Ray Charles."

Think about it...

"We've got a lot of relations with countries in our neighborhood." ?Kranj, Slovenia, June 10, 2008

"We need an energy bill that encourages consumption."

September 23, 2002

Thank goodness someone came up with this bus idea to point out the failed policies of George Bush. I was all set to vote for him again.

"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 12, 2008

I wonder if the Bushmobile will try to go through any crosswalks in Montclair.

"My plan reduces the national debt, and fast. So fast, in fact, that economists worry that we're going to run out of debt to retire."

Feb. 24, 2001

Anyone remember DeathRace 2000?

Mission Accomplished......... ?????

Related:

The insurgency in Iraq is "in the last throes," --- Vice President Dick Cheney, 2005

1 million Iraqis dead, not bringing Bin Laden to justice, 1 American city destroyed, torture, illegal wiretaps, losing habeas corpus, profiteering contractors, crushing government debt...

I could go on and on and on and on.

"The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to interpret law."
George W. Bush, Austin, Texas, Nov. 22, 2000

Bullfighting is a barbaric practice and should be outlawed. I have no compassion for the idiot humans who participate in this "tradition" and all the compassion in the world for the innocent animals who are destined to lose their lives in the travesty that is bullfighting.

(Thanks for the cold rag on our fun Mr. lasermike....)

OK, that comment was meant for the running of the bulls but on second thought it seems appropriate here.

Fun with a war criminal... nice.

(Are the bulls on the Bushmobile? From all the info I've seen, more likely bears.....)

"Brownie, you're doin' a great job".

and then,

Bush praises Rumsfeld,
'You are doing a superb job,' president says as Red Cross report deepens prison scandal.

I don't need a stupid biodeisel bus to tell me who to vote for and who not to vote for. In fact, I've already made up my mind. I am officially endorsing Gene Amondson to be our next president.

But you do go on and on, little laserlumpenprole. All the time. And dumbly all the time, and to so little effect.

It takes decades to properly assess a Presidential tenure. (Or, in Jimmy Carter's case, to fully realize just how disastrous he really was.) So the struggle to establish at least one genuine constitutional democracy in the Mideast should be viewed as an ongoing effort (though jot clearly by those with such short attention and intelligence spans as yourself). Ditto the effort to bring Osama Bin Laden to "justice" (which of course would also prove an opportunity for left-wing groups the world over to excuse his crimes as an "understandable" and thus generally excusable response to US war-mongering and economic thuggery).

Profiteering companies exist in both Democratic and Republican administrations too, young laserlad. You've never heard, say, of the Rose Law Firm? And of a related matter termed "Whitewater?" Really, mikeypal, the things you don't know despite all your Fudd-like sputtering....

There are no excuses good enough for this amount of death, destruction, mayhem, and law breaking. You're crazy to try.

"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror."

President George W. Bush, interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

"Fun with a War Criminal" was one of the best (bootleg) Stones albums, on it one can clearly hear the Glimmer Twins coming into their own, not just as song writers, but as a voice of a generation.....

"I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." ?aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003

"Fun with an alleged war criminal... nice."

There.. fixed that for you, since I don't remember him ever being convicted of war crimes... Or tried for that matter...

And mikeypal, I truly suspect that one of your biggest issues is that you never have any fun playing at ANYTHING. Yes, you're a nutter, but you're also a nutter who wishes to take away everyone else's toys. Then there's your distinct tendency towards totalitarianism...

Jerseygurl, prisons are terrible places. But generally, those in them deserve whatever they get there, no matter what the Red Cross, Amnesty International or any other group tells you. The most recent confirmation of this that I've read came firsthand from a former inmate named Robert Downey Jr.

Few really should weep over the Islamists confined at Guantanamo Bay. But perhaps you can wave to them some day as you sail by off the Cuban coast on your yacht. With mikey in tow, maybe?

Cathar: "But you do go on and on, little laserlumpenprole. All the time. And dumbly all the time, and to so little effect..."

Pot, meet Kettle. Do you really lack so modest a level of self-awareness as not to see how ridiculous your comment is?

"Bush asked Congress to amend the War Crimes Act in order to retroactively protect him and other U.S. officials from prosecution for these crimes, and from civil lawsuits arising from them."

hmmm... invading a country without provocation, torture, ignoring the human rights... Sounds like a war criminal to me.

Cathar,

So what's gone right under Bush?

No, Tommyboy, I do not at all see my comment as "ridiculous."

But thank you anyway for trying so desperately and fitfully to make me see things your vastly mistaken way. Perhaps you'd also do me the favor of sometime soon taking mikey out for a good meal and a night of bowling?

You're a joke, Cathar. You know that, right?

Talk about a DRIVE BY shooting. It should be called the BULLSHIT EXPRESS!

No, Tommy, I don't know that. Do you realize you're simply a mean-spirited liberal crank?

MMM, I freely admit that the Bush administration has not been terribly fruitful in ways that appeal to those of short attention spans. But the struggle against Islamist terrorism is at least engaged, and the possibility of an Iraqi democracy has begun under Dubya's watch. To abandon that attempt would be a terrible thing in a world where, in the latest outrage against the democratic impulse and procedures, judges in both the UK and Canada have suggested that we truckle under to sh'aria by way of quiet surrender to the "inevitable."

"Wait a minute. What did you just say? You're predicting $4-a-gallon gas? ... That's interesting. I hadn't heard that." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Feb. 28, 2008

MMM,

The iphone. Google. Facebook. American Idol. Mets collapse of 2007. The Prius. $4/gallon gas (isn't that what libs wanted? High gas prices so we'd "change" our behavior?), 2 wars (for the price of 10!!!) and don't forget: Obama.

Because without Bush, there'd be no Obama.

Oh, and Qaddafi giving up his nukes and No terrorist attacks.

Wait, wait. I'm mean-spirited? All you do on this board, day in and day out, is belittle your fellow posters in an effort, I suppose, to make yourself feel better about what must be a truly miserable existence. Pathetic.

I expected better -- certainly something more faux Victorian.

"I heard somebody say, 'Where's (Nelson) Mandela?' Well, Mandela's dead. Because Saddam killed all the Mandelas." --George W. Bush, on the former South African president, who is still very much alive, Washington, D.C., Sept. 20, 2007

Few really should weep over the Islamists confined at Guantanamo Bay.

That may or may not be true. But since the prisoners at Gitmo do not receive due process, nobody can say for sure.

I don't have warm and fuzzy feelings toward anyone who's out to hurt this country. But I hope that torturing prisoners and denying people due process are *not* things this country stands for.

Principles should mean something.

>> I freely admit that the Bush administration has not been terribly fruitful in ways that appeal to those of short attention spans.

Bush appeals to folks with short attention spans.

>> But the struggle against Islamist terrorism is at least engaged,

Where's Bin Laden?

>> and the possibility of an Iraqi democracy has begun under Dubya's watch.

And the pipe dream. We all know the Iraq war was about Iraq Oil.

>> To abandon that attempt would be a terrible thing in a world where, in the latest outrage against the democratic impulse and procedures, judges in both the UK and Canada have suggested that we truckle under to sh'aria by way of quiet surrender to the "inevitable."

And fear only a paranoid would consider.

In Cathar's world or the world he portrays black is white, up is down, and George Walker Bush gets a pass.

Let's be clear on your "prisoners". These were combatabts captured ont he battlefield that were not in uniform. In earlier years they were simply shot as spies (I wish we had done that retrospectively) as they are not covered as soldiers under the Geneva convention. They shoudl have no rights or due process as such. Now that we have let some of them go under duress from the courts, more than one of them has already attacked us again. Battlefield justice next time...

"So it is no surprise that in one of Bush's last acts of relevance, he once again played the fear card. While he has failed in spreading democracy, stemming global terrorism, and leaving the country better off than when he took power, he did achieve one thing: successfully perpetuating fear for political gain.

Sadly, it may be one of the only achievements of his presidency." Richard Clarke, former Head of Counterterrorism at the National Security Council

Does anyone know anything practical about bio-diesel? If I were to buy a new car how do I convert it to bio- D? Right now my dream car is a bio- D fueled jeep liberty. I know Willie Nelson uses it to fuel his cars - but we don't run in the same circles so I can't ask him.

?It has been an enormous privilege to serve you these last 24 months, I will always remember the courage, determination, calm, and leadership you demonstrated on September 11th.?

-- Richard Clarke, former Head of Counterterrorism at the National Security Council in his resignation letter to Bush.

hrhppg -- you don't have to do anything to convert a diesel engine to run on biodiesel. It'll do fine with it right out of the box. Finding a source of the biodiesel is more likely to be the hard part.

Thanks Tom. I guess it isn't as easy as ordering a cheeseburger, small fries and 10 quarts of grease.

Even if it were, getting the grease is the easy part. It then has to be refined. This is a link to an old thread on where to find it:
http://www.biodieselnow.com/forums/t/9265.aspx

"Sounds like a war criminal to me."

Fortunately the burden of proof is slightly higher than "sounds like".

Cathar,

It was right and proper that we go into Afghanistan to destroy those that attacked us. But by going into to Iraq, we have aggravated the problem of radical Islamic terrorists. By invading a Muslim country on the Arabian Peninsular, we have done the very thing that bin Laden had said we would do.

Do you believe that we would have gone into Iraq if Bush had been honest about why? Do you think a democratic Iraq is ? under the best of circumstances ? likely? If we woke up tomorrow and Iraq was stable and the troops could come home, would you say that that the war was worth the 4000 American lives and 3 trillion dollars

Yep, I know I would. Given what has truly been accomplished in Iraq, 4000 lives was a pittance considering what eny expert would have guessed prior to the war. This does not minimize the importance of our troops lives, just puts it in a realistic perspective historically.

Cheese, I'm not asking this to be obnoxious--I'm genuinely curious: What do you feel has been accomplished in Iraq?

I know everybody loves the idea of biodiesel... I only know a bit about biofuels, but from what I have read the result from combusting them vs. diesel is the same... The benefit comes from the idea that the carbon they release is (roughly) the same carbon they abosorbed over their lifetime of converting CO2... Which is great and all-- a carbon neurtal source of energy... Except (according to the LA times):

"The study found that clearing an Indonesian peatland rain forest to make way for a biofuel plantation - a conversion that is rapidly occurring to satisfy Europe's rising demand for biodiesel - releases so much carbon that it would take 423 years to start achieving a net reduction in emissions."

That, combined with the fact that stuff like ethanol can't be transported via pipeline and must be trucked around the country (i can't remember the word for this, it's because it attracts water, like brake fluid) causing even more fuel to be spent... And the rising costs of everything else because corn the like costs more...

Is all this really a good idea?

hygroscopic.

"4000 lives a pittance.."?

What a truly obscene thing to say.

Cheese, I'm not asking this to be obnoxious--I'm genuinely curious: What do you feel has been accomplished in Iraq?

Cheese, I'm not asking this to be obnoxious--I'm genuinely curious: What do you feel has been accomplished in Iraq?

Yikes, sorry for the multiple posts. I didn't even hit it more than once, but got some weird error code.

I hope that was sarcastic Cheese_ _ _. No credible evidence for invading
trillions spent that had to be borrowed while humanitarian, arts, infrastructure in the USofA gets cut
billions (that's with a B) unaccounted for and never will be
more billions (same B) proven as wasted over spending for supplies and materials
over a trillion in dept owed to CHINA and Japan, with another 3-4 trillion owed to other countries (that's with a T)
the other half of the 9.5 Trillion in dept is pinned on us good ol' boys that are citizens
the 4000 in deaths comes nowhere near the number f***ed in the head from being there
0 (that's a big zero) chance of turning Iraq into a democracy while basically leveling the place
I for one am real proud of success and the better world I'm handing to my children.

"You're doing a heck of a job, Bushie." jerseygurl. baristnet. 07/09/08

We have accomplished many important things in Iraq. Here are a few. We have an ally for the future where a ruthless dictatorship existed before. We have removed the threat of bio and nuclear weapons from Iraq. We have freed an entire country that was essentially held hostage for 30 years (they seems to appreciate that our troops tell us). Just enforcing the gulf war cease fire violations was good enough for me, but getting rid of Saddam and the rest was just icing on the cake from my perspective.

Well said, Cheese. I should add that EVERY life lost during a war (except for Saddam and his henchmen, of course) is tragic but unfortunately, that's the nature of any war. I have a lot of problems with the way the war was and is being fought, however, and the way that this country treats our enlisted men and women when they return home.

I see, Cheese.

Thought maybe you knew something I didn't, but I see that Karl Rove and company have simply done a good job of brainwashing you, probably via Fox News.

I agree with the other poster who said it was obscene you describe 4,000 US soldiers (not to mention thousands and thousands of Iraqi civilians) dead as 'a pittance.'

You're just the kind of non-thinking asshole for whom the George W. Bush regime was created. And you obviously have never had a loved one in the armed forces.

Kate,
So if I understand you correctly I am an asshole because I have a view that differs from yours?
To your points: Civilians dying in war is nothing new. It is always regrettable but unfortunately not preventable. As far as troops dying in war, you really should do some research before you spout off with such an obvious display of ignorance. We have had more troops killed over several days in previous wars and conflicts than have been killed in Iraq during the entire 5+ years. Troops get killed in wars. It's a shame but also a fact. The human life cost of Iraq historically is pretty low when compared to other conflicts and wars. That doesn't make any single life less important as I said in my previous post, it's just perspective. As to your line about serving our country you are absolutely wrong. I myself am a combat veteran as is my grandfather. My father served but did not see action. So don't lecture me on a subject you know very little about under the premise of asking me an "honest" question. There is no brainwashing involved here, you received a heartfelt honest answer. You just don't like it. Deal with it.

But the struggle against Islamist terrorism is at least engaged, and the possibility of an Iraqi democracy has begun under Dubya's watch.

Except, that's not the reason given for invading in the first place. The ends (if ever a self-sustaining Iraqi democracy does ever come to pass) do not justify the means, and rationalization after the fact is worse.

We invaded Iraq because Saddam was supposed to be a threat to this country. The evidence to that effect has been charitably called "exaggerated."

The word pittance earned you the asshole designation (vet or no), not the fact your opinion differs from mine.

This was an illegal war, justified by lies, and appears to have gained little. We did not go in there because Saddam was a 'brutal dictator'; we've let plenty of those stay in power elsewhere and ruthlessly kill their people.

We went in to get control of oil supplies. And we did a shitty job of it because our 'leaders' didn't listen to any of the experts they had on tap to advise them.

There are no self-congratulations earned here. No pats on the back warranted. This war has cost us dearly, and will have enormous ramifications for future generations both here and in Iraq.

Iraq will be in turmoil for a long time, the history going back thousands of years has 3 different factions that don't get along fighting for control, any one of which will hardly be a democracy never mind our ally.
WMD - myth in Iraq, so what did we accomplish?
Plenty of atrocious dictators have not had US intervention and that is ongoing around the world.
We have killed more civilians than Saddam, caused the collapse of their economy (and probably ours) and created a magnet for extremists to recruit more extremists than before 9/11. We have caused an additional 500+ American civilian deaths, alienated any other Arab allies and caused our standing to continually drop (the best you could find in civilized statistics like # of poor, infant deaths, age expectancy, etc. is 7th)compared to the rest of the world.
None of this is good enough.

Well at least that post was rational if not filled entirely with facts. If you re-read my prior post you should consider retracting your "asshole" comment but I really could care less. So at the end of all of this we come right back to where we started. You think the war was not justified and accomplished little to nothing. I think the war was perfectly justified, and has accomplished much for our country. Posting here won't change either of our views. Welcome to politics. Our differences go well beyond the battlefield in Iraq.

Cheese. Where did you get this information? We have no ally for the future in Iraq, we are currently staging a military occupation and holding together a country that will split apart once our military presence is gone. The ruthless dictator might have been awful, but at least he ran one of the only two secular governmentsin the middle east. No harboring of terrorists there. There was NO threat of nuclear weapons. The yellow cake from Niger story was completely fabricated. The WMD story was also fabricated, or at least greatly exaggerated. The "free" people left are those who are either insurgents, government workers or police, or terrorists who entered the country amid the chaos, or people without the resources they need to leave. The people who were able to leave have done so and are now refugees in other countries. One of those is the area we even now call Kurdistan. Getting rid of Saddam at what cost? How many more ruthless dictators are out there that we ignore? The real problem is and and since 9/11 has been Afghanistan. It's where the Taliban is now starting to regain it's power. It's where our own generals publicly voice they need more troops there but will have to wait until we can pull some from Iraq to make that possible. Having 4,000 Americans loose their lives, thousands of others become impaired for life just to overthrow a bad guy when the real threat is somewhere else is just not wrong anyway you look at it. Regardless of what Rush Limbaugh thinks.

And stop with the casualties are part of war, of coarse they are. The question is why we are there having our troops killed. More people were killed in WW2 than any other. There were also 62 countries involved, but no nukes till the end.
Want to have that repeated with nukes from the beginning?

"Want to have that repeated with nukes from the beginning?"

What the hell kind of retarded question is that? If it (our part of it) were repeated from the beginning with nukes it would have been a lot shorter and a lot less American's would have died...

Cheese, I didn't see a lot of facts in your post.

But then--in my experience, folks willing to eat the party line as willingly as you seem to are not very impressed by facts. But hey. That approach is good enough for GWB--why not you too?

brenden.
Are you advocating pre-emptive action or are you unaware of the number of nukes dispersed throughout the world?

Jeez....

Dionne Warwick in Brookdale Park...

Re-arguing the beginning of the Iraq war.....

What year is this?

(And if re-arguing, it might be instructive to remember the 90's and what Clinton said and did regarding Mr. Hussein-- not you Barrack. Sorry. I guess it's easier to act like Saddam became a problem on January 20, 2001.)

Prof - after 9/11/01 we had much bigger problems than Hussein. And Iraq is just ONE of Bush's disasters. A big one it is, but the list is pretty long even without it.

Your right prof, look to the future, after all, things could (dare I?) change (I did, I did) for the better.

(one last bushy for those of you who think this war should have been part of our present)

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
?President George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005

Pokey:

I read your rhetorical question to be "do you want to repeat world war two, with nukes as an available weapon from the start"

If that is what you were really asking, it's a resounding hell yes... since it would probably be shorter and cost less in American lives...

Ya know, since nukes ended the war... Wouldn't it be nice if they were available earlier, so the war could have ended earlier?

Or did I misunderstand you?

"we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."

brenden, I was refering to WW3.
(and not to forget this bit of wisdom:
"I don't know what weapons World War Three will be fought with, but World War four will be fought with sticks and stones."
Albert Einstein)

Kind of late in the game to be a Bush apologist. For anyone who thinks nukes are the way to go. I work downtown in NYC, live in northern NJ, was a 9/11 volunteer..and figure reasonably so, that if anyone will be nuked, it will be all of us. Sorry, just one guys take on things

Another real bonus of the Iraq war is that we wasted our military there. What with the kids, National Guard, single mothers, and stop loss orders, this war has been a real success. Where do we get our military from when it hits the fan legitimately...a draft ? We all know better than that. No wonder all the macho posturing about nukes. Mr Bush wasted 4,000 US lives, and murdered how many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis..for what ? Dad's approval ? C'mon now. We got dumbed down as a nation, but hopefully not that low. No wonder Iran is rattling the sabre.

I'm afraid we will see more wars in our lifetime as long as we have an enemy that puts such little value on human life. How do you fight/negotiate with an enemy who's willing to die for a "cause?"

Mrs. Martta,

You don't fight/negotiate, you TALK to them, really slowly, with a comforting tone.

That, and the force of your goodness and nobility will change them....

Or at least you HOPE so.

Yes, and I also believe in the Tooth Fairy.

You could always make up stuff, interpret the law to make it all secret (discrediting people who object, priceless) and start bombing...no brainer.

Enemy? What does Iraq have to do with the enemy? We attacked them. We are the enemy, to most of them. Regard for life is dependent upon which side one is one. Judging from the posts here- regard for human life is just a matter of which side one is one. My life is worthy - the other isn't. News flash - our government has as little regard for human life as the other side. Abu Ghraib is one example, under Hussein he tortured his enemies there and look how we improved things. We torture our enemies there. It's all rhetorical crap. Either all human life is valuable or none is. Period. Can't have it both ways.

I think all human life is valuable, except for those humans who want to kill me.

And there lies the problem. Someone always wants to kill someone else. Who started what will never be resolved. So we can keep going. Or we can stop.

Are you honestly trying to say that your life is as valuable as a suicide bomber? Or some combatant who tries to snipe/bomb a soldier, and then hide in a civilian population?

Oh, if life were just that simple...

"So we can keep going. Or we can stop."

That would be nice, except that my side is going to win! Want to know why? Because god's on my side!

You figure a way out of that one and you'll get yourself a shiny nobel peace prize...

Brendan - life is either valuable or it is not. Qualifiers are in the eye of the beholder. A couple of year ago I went to a bank to notarize documents that would enable to try to reclaim land that had been in my family for hundreds of years but had been taken by the communists during the Soviet reign. The notary was born here, but his family had a home in Palestine - in Jerusalem - that had been there for over 500 years. Alas, he could not even try to reclaim his family home. Palestinians don't even have a right to vote, let alone live in the homes they once had. It's screwed up - there is plenty of blame to go around.

As I learned in basic training and AIT. jerseygurl, yes, all human life is valuable. But some human lives turn out - drat the inequity of it all! - to be more valuable than others when push comes to shove. Hence all the instruction given recruits about self-preservation.

The problem in Iraq was that its previous ruler was not much imbued with the same views re the value of human life as you are, and he had the wherewithal to act on his views (as you do not). So I think we did the world in general a great service by removing him. Complications arose, however, when all those truly nasty Islamist fanatics showed conclusively that they don't share your stated belief in the value of human life, and they showed it by gleefully murdering their own co-religionists (when they weren't persecuting Chaldean Catholics and Kurds, to be sure, or planting bombs on US ships).

These are not nice folk. So we stay there to tamp down their regrettable excesses (well, we see them that way, people like thee and me) in the name of what they still stubbornly maintain is the "religion of peace." And in the hopes (you may say that I'm a dreamer) that a genuinely democratic government can be established in this nation which will no longer give surcease and comfort to these butchers in the name of Allah. In linked hope that this might even inspire other Mideastern countries to try something similar.

Do you honestly have some better solution? Would you prefer we simply pulled out and allowed them to continue killing each other and at an even more accelerated rate than Saddam Hussein? This might provide the fanatics with jolly good sport, but it would also have the ancillary effect of only further devaluing life in general throughout the Middle East.

And I'm guessing you don't want that, believe that "it" has to stop somewhere. Why not in Iraq, then?

But it will not stop just because you utter platitudes, homilies, saws, adages and bromides. And because you've never yourself had basic training and AIT, you're also pitifully equipped to do the real work necessary in Iraq today, so it seems. I trust you realize this.

How cool is THIS!!

Amen Cathar. Sad but true.

Iraq was a secular state Cathar. Secular. Yes, run by a brutal regime not unlike many other brutal regimes. The mistake we made is going into Iraq rather than focusing on the people who are really trying to kill us - Osama Bin Laden and his Al Qeada followers are still out there. Afghanistan and Pakistan were the real problem, now we have created an even bigger mess. Locking down Afghanistan, keeping the Taliban down and finding Bin Laden should have been the priority. Again - the Islamist fanatics were not permitted to get a toehold in Iraq. Iraq's muslims were also primarily Shiites who don't get along with the Sunni terrorists. Get your history straight. It was an arrogant move that has cost us not only many lives, but has allowed the bigger threat to our safety to continue to grow.

Final note Cathar, you are right. Unlike you I have not had military training. I would not be able to do the incredibly difficult job our troops do every day. I do think they deserve better treatment than they are getting right now.

Cathar, your logic is twisted and mind demented. Your narrative and suppositions are completely detached from reality and fact. Your delusions are more like a comic written by a child.

A crime has occurred that has lead to the deaths of 1 million Iraqi people.

I saw The Bush Bus! It was in a parking lot at the Rush concert at PNC on Saturday night.

Unlike the artist's rendering above, however, it's actually a battered old school bus, though with a nice fresh paint job.

Anyway, it's heartening to know that the bus people are worldly enough to appreciate Canadian rock!