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Talk About Your Scum

Thursday, July 24, 2008

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If you've been by Edgemont Park lately, you might have noticed that the pond is one big layer of scum. The worst it's ever been, says Stephen Wood, director of Community Services for Montclair. The physical reason for the scum is nitrogen-filled storm sewer runoff, which feeds the algae in the shallow pond. The bureaucratic reason is that herbicide spraying is several weeks late because of failure to get a permit renewal from the state DEP.

"Just slipped through the cracks, as simple of that," says Wood.

Despite the scummy conditions, Wood says there's no real danger, or smell, from the scum and that nobody would be hurt if they fell in. "It would just be gross," he said.

That's an understatement.

Yesterday, the Montclair Fire Department tried unsuccessfully to spray some of the scum off with water hoses. Herbicide treatment is expected to begin in a few weeks.

Posted by Debbie Galant on July 24, 2008 9:03 AM
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There seems to be an obvious solution: have one of the parks workers use a pool skimmer every week to control it. If the pond's deepest point is beyond 4 feet, they can use a simple rowboat to reach those areas.

Posted by Jim | July 24, 2008 9:14 AM
 

Give me scum in my ponds but leave me the birds and bees, please.

Posted by Mrs. Martta | July 24, 2008 9:34 AM
 

Herbicide treatments are toxic and costly. The pool skimmer idea seems more intelligent and will not harm the wildlife. Perhaps it could even be a volunteer sport-like initiative with prizes for who gets the most grossed out.

Posted by Frankgg | July 24, 2008 9:40 AM
 

it's about time they're addressing this issue. it bothers me to see this pond every time I drive by. it's a shame to see the birds always having to float on the other side of wherever the scum happens to be.

I agree with the pool skimmer idea as well. it seems counter intuitive to "clean" the pond with toxic herbicide.

Posted by violet | July 24, 2008 9:47 AM
 

A pool skimmer is not a good idea as much of the scum would slip through the netting.

And do you know the herbicide is toxic?

Not all are.

Perhaps someone should find out before you go all crazy looking for some "parks worker" to out the scum.

(And if the herbicide had been employed when it should have, everyone would have been all "the pond looks great!" So don't know start questioning the toxicity of it.)

Posted by profwilliams | July 24, 2008 9:53 AM
 

Here's an idea. Those drivers caught in the sting for not yielding to pedestrians can be given community service in lieu of the +$400 fine. The community service can be be 8 hours of pond skimming from a rowboat.

Posted by 13%annualtaxhike | July 24, 2008 9:59 AM
 

Most herbicides are considered toxic and some are even transgenetic with unknown reactions in the longterm.

Posted by Frankgg | July 24, 2008 10:01 AM
 

The firm, Aquatic Technologies of Branchville, is the same firm that takes care of Verona Park.

I went over to Verona (and, by the way the park and pond are beautiful and should not be missed!) and read the required "Pesticide-Treated Notice" by the lake. It says:

No swimming until: "No restrictions"

No fish consumption: "No restrictions"

No drinking until: "3 days after application date"

No irrigation until: "4 days after appliction date"


This implies a very large safety factor to me.

And:

I'd like to remind everyone that Edgemont pond carries the stormwater runoff from the streets surrounding Edgemont. That means the stormwater that carries away all the "stuff" that's on the street (and I don't have to detail THAT) is now in the pond.

And, yes, prof. Had it been employed when it should have we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Thanks,

Posted by Cary Africk | July 24, 2008 10:04 AM
 

"Just slipped through the cracks, as simple of that," says Wood.

Where have I heard that explanation before?

Posted by complainerpuss | July 24, 2008 10:15 AM
 

Frankgg is correct, pond scum (algae, just a plant) control is by copper based herbicides which if used in to great a concentration will also kill the fish and harm the birds.
You are also destroying something that can save the planet.

Posted by Pokey | July 24, 2008 10:16 AM
 

No restrictions on fish consumption? Carp and escargot at my place!

Posted by banana split | July 24, 2008 10:29 AM
 

Aren't there any organisms that eat the scum/algae/whatever it is?

Posted by Mrs. Martta | July 24, 2008 10:32 AM
 

Nitrogen runoff is from your lawn fertilzers flowing into our storm drains and right into the pond ... so you can have that great green lawn.

What a tangled web we weave.

Posted by Bewise | July 24, 2008 10:37 AM
 

When they drained the pond some years ago, carp and snails were certainly in abundance.

Pokey -- I don't thick it's duckweed that's growing in Edgemont, but a much less desirable algae. I'm also not sure Frank, that copper based herbicides are being used. And as to "if used to great concentration will also kill the fish," pretty much anything used in great enough concentration will kill anything. To quote Paracelsus:

Alle Ding sind Gift, und nichts ohn Gift; allein die Dosis macht, da? ein Ding kein Gift ist

Or: "All things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose permits something not to be poisonous."

Posted by Cary Africk | July 24, 2008 10:50 AM
 

Aren't we using highly toxic stuff for a reason? Isn't that where the canada geese hang out?

Posted by brendan | July 24, 2008 11:11 AM
 

MsM, they're called triploid grass carp. Unfortunately they aren't from around here and are strictly regulated as they could cause a much bigger problem if they escaped into this ecosystem (think of those foreign plants taking over).
"What a tangled web we weave."
How true, if only we could learn to live with nature instead of thinking we are in control. Most of it is nothing but status symbols anyway. (not advocating giving up our technocracy)
Cary, that was really sarcasm as a lead in to the article. I used to have an acre and a half pond loaded with duck weed, so I've had to face the problem (while wanting an "organic" solution). We settled on trolling a bag of copper based herbicide in the worst areas a little at a time. It took longer that way, but the frogs were happier.

Posted by Pokey | July 24, 2008 11:12 AM
 

I do find it a little worrisome that a method that could only spread the algae was tried to control it. It does not lead to a lot of confidence in what might be tried next, so I'm glad to here of consulting with professionals.

Posted by Pokey | July 24, 2008 11:23 AM
 

and this is were you should have a lawn!

Posted by Pokey | July 24, 2008 11:28 AM
 

Hush! You will wake up Mathilde!

Anyway, what we need is a fake moose out there, about knee deep. Think of the photo-ops!

Posted by Conan | July 24, 2008 11:35 AM
 

Thanks, Pokey!

Great info!

Re. introduced species, that's frightening! Many examples of really bad things happening! Actually, more than one person suggested introducing mussels into Edgemont, which made me think of the Zebra Mussel fiasco in the Great Lakes.

I hope to focus on Edgemont over the next years. There is so much potential!

Posted by Cary Africk | July 24, 2008 11:39 AM
 

It may be that because the problem "slipped through the cracks," now more herbicide will have to be used to clear the pond up... But what about the wildlife (not just the geese)?

Posted by SCS | July 24, 2008 11:39 AM
 

Dear mr. woods- oh no paycheck this week.

Sorry, it just slipped through the cracks- it's that simple.

whatever happened to doing your job? there was algae in the pond last year and the year before- you forgot that there would be algae this year?

Posted by HidingInBaristaville | July 24, 2008 11:42 AM
 

Frogs legs for all!

Posted by banana split | July 24, 2008 11:44 AM
 

I can't fault Mr. Woods. Folks forget.

Unfortunately, the repercussions are not so visible.

The problem for me is all the folks who now care so much about how they defeat the algae.

It must be defeated!!

NYTimes: Ah, prof, could you please define "defeat" and resubmit your post. Thanks.

Posted by profwilliams | July 24, 2008 11:50 AM
 

I never said they didn't look like this

Posted by Pokey | July 24, 2008 12:03 PM
 

HERBICIDES?????!!!???
Where's the new Mayor??????????????????

Posted by catinthehat | July 24, 2008 12:04 PM
 

More shade, deeper (4' +) areas and control of runoff into the pond are good long term solutions to lessening the algae (and thus the chemicals). Time and money though, so expect others to object to the budget.

Posted by Pokey | July 24, 2008 12:16 PM
 

Can't we just release some algae eaters or some catfish into the lake.

At this point, it might be smarter (and cheaper) to just let nature (colder temperatures) do its thing in the fall. Every solution in Montclair appears to involve consultants and more spending.

How about we terminate the people who continuously drop the ball. Like the insurance on the Upper Montclair train station, or the need for turf at the refurbished ball fields.

Posted by 13%annualtaxhike | July 24, 2008 12:17 PM
 

Of coarse if you do clean it up and dredge some deep pools, maybe we could stock trout :)

Posted by Pokey | July 24, 2008 12:20 PM
 

There's actually plenty of fish in that pond already. I take my kids there every once in a while and people are always shocked whenever my son pulls up one of those big catfish. We've also seen cormorants, egrets, and black-crowned night herons catch some awfully big carp, catfish and sunnies. One thing though I haven't seen in that pond in years: frogs.

Posted by complainerpuss | July 24, 2008 12:30 PM
 

"One thing though I haven't seen in that pond in years: frogs."

Interesting, but the frogs started dissapearing just about the time Culinariane and Passione opened on Walnut street... hmmm.

Posted by Conan | July 24, 2008 12:46 PM
 

The scum floating in Edgemont pond stands in reproach to all those suburban homeowners who lavish fertilizer in pursuit of a green carpet lawn. Perfect lawns should bring their owners opprobrium for the damage they do to the environment. But now that we have this scum, let's not make the problem worse by fighting it with yet more chemicals. Let it be. If we followed that philosophy more thoroughly, we would stop many problems at the source rather than pile on one injustice after another onto our ecosystems, like a patient on too many drugs. If only the town were to put my good friend and fellow traveler Pat Kenschaft in charge of the town's parks, we'd be one step closer to sanity.

Posted by mathilda | July 24, 2008 12:58 PM
 

Paddleboats?

Posted by 13%annualtaxhike | July 24, 2008 12:59 PM
 

"slipped through the cracks" How busy could they be? What, we don't pay them enough with our taxes? I wouldn't let such slip-ups become so public. Remember, you are on OUR payroll.

Posted by terra_mitera | July 24, 2008 1:22 PM
 

It's a Chia-car!

Posted by Mrs. Martta | July 24, 2008 1:25 PM
 

It seems a lot of the "slip ups" go back to the old watch, hopefully this will change. (you gotta give'em some time to sort out the mess, then ...)

Posted by Pokey | July 24, 2008 1:26 PM
 

1. Conan: You, as usual, are a riot! :-)
2. I actually agree with Mathilda's last post.

Posted by Mrs. Martta | July 24, 2008 1:33 PM
 

mathilda, you remain a terrific contributor to the Baristanet. The "fellow traveler" reference was priceless.

Posted by Former Ridger | July 24, 2008 1:33 PM
 

"we'd be one step closer to sanity."

that's the funniest thing i've heard all day!

Posted by brendan | July 24, 2008 1:55 PM
 

As kids, we would catch sunnies and carp, and had a net for catching the frogs (huge, ugly-looking ones, too) They would come out right before dusk, and you could identify them only by their eyes- two little bumps, just above water.

I had no idea they weren't a fixture at the pond anymore. How sad!

Posted by banana split | July 24, 2008 1:56 PM
 

It's just a little algae. Scoop it up and turn it into something useful.

Posted by lasermike026 | July 24, 2008 1:56 PM
 

Why can't we just leave it alone?

Posted by jerseygurl | July 24, 2008 2:14 PM
 

Just leaving it alone would be the "greenest" solution!

Posted by Frankgg | July 24, 2008 2:23 PM
 

Whatever the current song and dance, this happens every time they turn off the fountains.
Algae growth is caused by stagnant water.
Turn the freekin fountains back on.
Years ago, when they left the fountains on all summer....this wasn't an issue.

 

If 100 or so volunteers offered to work just a short while the pond could be kept clean. It also would be a great community service for people caught with DUI or kids that destroy iris gardens. There are all sorts of possibilities.

Posted by oh puleeze | July 24, 2008 2:40 PM
 

It also would be a great community service for people who have the time to do something friendly and just want a good work out. It doesn't have to be a punishment, its a nice thing to do for a beautiful park.

Posted by Frankgg | July 24, 2008 2:49 PM
 

The first problem is that it's not a natural pond. A dam was put in to create it.

Next, the pond isn't deep enough because it needs to be dredged. Dredging is necessary, and proper dredging hasn't been done in many years.

Additionally, the pond needs other work, i.e. the walls are crumbling because they never were done right.

All in all I heard an estimate of $800,000 to repair the pond properly.

As to falling through the cracks, here's what I heard. The renewal contract was sent to the former parks person, who is the same person as the former arborist. He's been gone for like 8 months so his mail kind of went astray.

We can't just "plug up" the outlet's that drain stormwater. It has to go somewhere.

Actually, paddleboats might not be so far fetched an idea. Think Verona Park. Maybe we could do some work on our "boat house." Spruce it up. Do some restoration. Have an Applegate franchise. Sell other food with a nice area for sitting at tables by the lake. Anyone interested?

Posted by Cary Africk | July 24, 2008 3:31 PM
 

Why don't we just let the pond fall through the cracks?

Seriously though, we really do seem to spend a lot of money on aesthetics --- if there were no pond, there'd be no geese. There would still be a lovely park. Anderson has no pond, Brookdale's is now filled in. Or can a local "friends of "Edgemont" help do some kind of pond fundraiser?

Posted by jerseygurl | July 24, 2008 4:41 PM
 

The pond must be saved!!!!

If you let it go, we'll have to pay some web designer to redo the town webpage.

And you know that will cost us.

Oh, jersey, is there any answer you have that does not include some invisible "friends," "people," or "we"?

YOU are welcome to start a "Friends of Edgemont Park...

If any of these issues are important to you, you'd get involved instead of offering and waiting for someone else to do it.

............. still sitting at the computer, huh?

Posted by profwilliams | July 24, 2008 4:49 PM
 

Prof -I'm at my computer at work. Brookdale Park has a convervancy - Anderson has a "friends of Anderson" -- just thinking maybe the homeowners who live nearby and care about the pond might be willing to do the same. If I lived near the park I would - I don't think the pond is important which is why I suggested letting it go rather than having more of our taxes spent on things we don't really need.

Posted by jerseygurl | July 24, 2008 4:55 PM
 

But the answer cannot always be "someone (other than me) should do something (I'm unwilling to do)."

I will support a proper, toxic clean-up with my very large tax bill.

So, get to it Montclair.

Clean it up, so I can go back to hatin' on Barry!

Posted by profwilliams | July 24, 2008 5:00 PM
 

Also Prof - Committees and community action groups can do a lot and I did put in an application last month to work on township committees, I'm just waiting to hear back.

Posted by jerseygurl | July 24, 2008 5:01 PM
 

I would be happy to work on a Friends of Edgemont Park committee as an adviser. In this case I would waive my usual consulting fees. My only condition is that any work done on the park would have to adhere to the strictest of green standards. Please feel free to contact me offline at mathilda678@gmail.com.

Posted by mathilda | July 24, 2008 5:03 PM
 

I just friended Edgemont Park on Facebook.

Posted by Mrs. Martta | July 24, 2008 5:11 PM
 

If their would be a volunteer clean up effort, I would gladly sign up.

Posted by Frankgg | July 24, 2008 5:19 PM
 

If there's a meeting, would somebody please let me know? I would volunteer to sit in the back of the room, eat peanuts, throw the shells on the floor and leave early.

Posted by walleroo | July 24, 2008 5:23 PM
 

Cary,
I think that sounds like a great idea. Ice cream in the park!? Paddleboats!? Awesome. I am leaving in a month so I won't be around to help with the idea, but I bet other people will. Someone get ice cream in the park! Boats!

 

Katie- where are you headed?

Hopefully some place fun!


Posted by Dog Mom | July 24, 2008 5:29 PM
 

Mark and I are headed everywhere: http://wanderful.us

 

Actually there is a Friends of Edgemont Park group. Probably 50 people all together, and they've probably been meeting for like 4 years.

Their big project was the Universal Access Playground which is now under way.

Email me at carya2008@comcast.net and I'll put you on the mailing list!

Posted by Cary Africk | July 24, 2008 5:32 PM
 

"I just friended Edgemont Park on Facebook."

While you're doing that Miss Martta, I'm creating a "Fans of Mathilda" page on Facebook.

Posted by complainerpuss | July 24, 2008 5:33 PM
 

Glad to hear it jersey.

Rock (and work) on!

Boats and ice-cream....

Great idea.....

(How much is this gonna cost us? Right. It will be private and won't cost a thing, just the clean up and prep for them to get there...)

Skatepark?

Posted by profwilliams | July 24, 2008 5:44 PM
 

Katie- WAAAAY COOOOL!

You are hitting several spots from the ol' Dog Fam's fam. Dog Dad is from Chicago & his parents live in Cleveland. I lived in San Francisco and went to undergrad in VA. (Definitely recommend a side trip to downtown Charlottesville, VA, if possible).

In San Francisco, (if you are a margarita fan), check out Sweet Heat in the Upper Haight (between Cole and Shrager, I believe) for their tamarind margarita. It's unreal.

Oh, how I am jealous of your youth and freedom! Best wishes for a fun, safe, and rich journey!

Posted by Dog Mom | July 24, 2008 5:47 PM
 

West Nile is back: leave the fountains on.http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvbid/westnile/qa/prevention.htm

Posted by catinthehat | July 24, 2008 5:47 PM
 

I would love to have a concession stand at the park.

I would need some investors and a guaranteed 6 figure salary and a housing allowance and use of fully outfitted police car with a 5 year contract and a renewal clause. I can start anytime.

Posted by Pokey | July 24, 2008 5:48 PM
 

Awesome, Dog Mom! Yeah, if you or anyone else here know of some awesome, fantastic place (restaurant, sight, monument, weird town, anything really) please feel free to email us. Then when we get there, we'll send you a postcard! (you would have to include your address too if you want the postcard) markatie@wanderful.us

 

I guess Steve has too many duties like busting up unions and creating low morale amoung everyone who works for the town. Stay out of Qwik Check and get some things done. When Shuckman was here, we never had these problems. Another waste of $100,000+ a year.....

Posted by joeyhairnet | July 24, 2008 6:11 PM
 

Katie - A little googling yielded the sad, sad information that Sweet Heat (sob) closed. Nevertheless, you will have no problem finding good cheap eats (and drinks) in SF. It's a great city and I miss it terribly.

Pork Store Cafe is still open, as is People's Cafe. Both are great eats in the Upper Haight. I would recommend that you all spend a day in Golden Gate Park. There's something so cool about a park that starts in a city and ends at the Pacific Ocean.

I cannot wait to go back.

Posted by Dog Mom | July 24, 2008 6:23 PM
 

Oh man, I can't wait for San Francisco. We've been working on the project for so long, that sometimes I forget what we're about to experience! And when I start thinking about one place, I think about another, and then another and can't believe it's all in one country! Yeah, it's going to be good times. We'll save Golden Gate Park and the restaurants on our list of things to do. Thank you!

 

It has nothing to do with it not being a natural pond.
Anyone who has ever grown up around a farm...with "natural" ponds, will know that they look just like that if the water has been sitting still for too long.
The problem is that it's stagnant.
Put the fountains back on and the problem will go away and it won't draw the mosquitos either.


 

whatever,

My point is that naturally occurring ponds with fish and all other types of living creatures are more likely to not have the algae problems.

Unfortunately, we can't turn the fountains on because they clog with the algae within an hour and they stop working.

My experience with mosquitoes, having spent a summer in grad school on a road crew that sprayed for mosquitoes, is that they breed in shallow water. For example water in an old tire, water in a bird bath, water left pretty much anywhere.

Insects and insect larvae usually serve as food for the fish in the pond, so it's a bad place for a mosquito to breed.

Posted by Cary Africk | July 24, 2008 9:47 PM
 

I guess the fountains shouldn't have been turned off in the first place then?

Posted by catinthehat | July 24, 2008 10:05 PM
 

I've seen living creatures in that pond before - snails, turtles... well that's all so far, besides ducks and geese. We need some fish, and paddleboats, and ice cream.

Posted by katie | July 24, 2008 10:08 PM
 

I just did some reading about this, and it seems that treating with herbicides can just continue the algae problem, since the dying algae release even more nutrients into the water, encouraging more algae to form. Adding beneficial bacteria to the water helps as they consume the excess nutrients. Plants help by shading the water from the sun, and aeration from the fountains is crucial. It was interesting to read about. And nearly everyone says to forget about the herbicides since they're a short-term solution. I realize the algae has to go, and quickly, but I hope whomever the town is paying really knows their stuff. I'm sure it's complicated to have the correct balance of fish, bacteria, plantlife and aeration, and maybe it's not possible in our pond without some overhaul or major and costly monitoring. It seems to be fairly easy on a smaller scale.

Posted by coco | July 24, 2008 10:16 PM
 

1. It's algae! Scoop it out, grind it up, and sell it to people for use as natural lawn-fertilizer. Ta-da!

2. I have been to Edgemont Park several times a week since April. I noticed that one of them wasn't really fountaining very much for a while, but at least for the last month or so, I've seen the fountains on!

Posted by Amandala | July 24, 2008 10:35 PM
 

I don't see why $800,000 to fix this pond is such an issue. If Izod paid 1.3 millon dollars a year for the naming rights to the Byrne/Continental Airlines Arena, I don't see why we can't easily make a hefty profit by offering up the naming rights to the Edgemont Pond to the highest bidder. I can just picture it now: the Edge Shaving Gel Mont Pond.

Posted by complainerpuss | July 24, 2008 10:36 PM
 

The Mack-Cali Edgemont Reserve.

Posted by PAZ | July 24, 2008 11:04 PM
 

Go look at Verona Park. The company that does their lake is the same one that is doing ours.

By not treating our pond on time, we let the algae get way ahead.

Dying algae release nutrients, all right, but they also consume oxygen. The level of herbicide will not kill the algae all at once.

Again, the fountains are clogging up after running an hour. They can't get ahead of the algae formation.

The stuff is complicated, but I believe the company we are employing will solve the problem. Right now the pond is so gross that the geese won't even go in.

AND, I actually saw birds WALKING across the pond, on the surface. Now THAT was frightening!

Posted by Cary Africk | July 25, 2008 12:32 AM
 

"As to falling through the cracks, here's what I heard. The renewal contract was sent to the former parks person, who is the same person as the former arborist. He's been gone for like 8 months so his mail kind of went astray."

That's a kind way of putting it Cary. This is just like when you tried to get the town to apply for the free trees and they kept saying that they never received the letters asking them to fill out the applicatiuons becauase they were being sent to the same ex employee.

So what are they doing with Kevin Woods mail? Is it piled up in the cormer of Joe Hartnett's office wating for someone to come and take it?

Posted by HidingInBaristaville | July 25, 2008 6:13 AM
 

Again, where is our new Green Mayor on this?

Posted by catinthehat | July 25, 2008 8:22 AM
 

Watsessing Lake in Bloomfield is a busy tourist venue on the 1856 Map. There are boats and beach cabins in the illustration. The lake was created by a dam and along side the segment of the Morris Canal that is currently under the Parkway at the intersection of Bloomfield Avenue. The dam broke during a storm and was never rebuilt probably because Bloomfield Avenue had too much commercial traffic and the Bloomfield economy shifted from a rural tourist venue to a busy small commercial center, located strategically at the intersection of Bloomfield Avenue and the Morris Canal. Silver lake, a natural lake that was another tourist venue mysteriously dried up one night during a storm (I wonder how they got that to happen!) so they built factories (remember the Charms Factory?) even though this spot was surrounded by estate properties and luxury housing developments. (like Halcyon Park) If you think of the Watsessing Park neighborhood then, it was probably like the Edgemont Park area today, just a little less suburban.

Posted by Frankgg | July 25, 2008 8:24 AM
 

I saw Barrack Obama walk across the water too....

Posted by profwilliams | July 25, 2008 8:29 AM
 

Speaking of Divine powers, prof, perhaps you too have them. Here I am at 8:12 reading an item you apparently posted at 8:29.

Posted by cathar | July 25, 2008 8:34 AM
 

Not really, I just think the Chosen One's divine power (I'm far too humble to admit to my own) has begun to change time as we know it.

Remember, Our Time is Now.

Therefore, whatever time it is.

It is.

Posted by profwilliams | July 25, 2008 8:38 AM
 

Perhaps too then prof, he is really the Mahdi. (Although that would surely enrage his supporters in the Democratic pary, and yes, look that one up.) Do his front teeth have a gap between them?

Posted by cathar | July 25, 2008 8:48 AM
 

Africk...
This use to not ever be a problem in town 10 years ago until they started turning the fountains off.
Leave them on....

That, and actually go back and figure out what the town did then they obviously aren't doing now.
I'd also like to point out that this whole mess started about the time they hired that guy to go around and shoot off fireworks at the ducks...
Was funding pulled from maintaining the fountain/park in order to create that grand spectacle?
ya well...sounds plausible to me
(and you might want to check the numbers on that before you say no)

 

cathar,

OBAMA IS NOT A MUSLIM!!!!

How dare you even write something that vaguely suggests, ever-so-slightly, in a teensy-weensy way, kinda-sorta, otherwise.

When we hook up the jumper cables to his brilliance to power the worlds energy needs, you my friend, will be off the grid.

(I believe the gap in his teeth is where the mysterious power to cloud men's minds comes from. That or it might be his ONLY flaw.)

Posted by profwilliams | July 25, 2008 11:25 AM
 

Prof....Don't get your knicker's in a twist..The war hero will win it for you. Do you think the South and Midwest are really going for Obama?....4 more years for the Repubs....Alas!

Posted by PAZ | July 25, 2008 11:26 AM
 

We live in interesting times. I don't have a clue who will be President. In the past, young voters have made a lot a noise but their numbers at the polls were appalling. But now we have the Internetz and YouTube so who knows? But yeah, I don't see good ol' boys from the South and Midwest voting for Obama. I do think it will be a very close race, though.

Posted by Mrs. Martta | July 25, 2008 11:33 AM
 

My knickers are fine.

But it is funny that any fun at the Chosen Ones expense causes his lovers to feel as if someone is killing little fluffy bunnies.

But then again, if the shoe fits.......

Posted by profwilliams | July 25, 2008 11:35 AM
 

Ms. M...The redneckers will be stampeding the polling booths and that goes for Pennsyltucky too.

Posted by PAZ | July 25, 2008 11:36 AM
 

The redneckers and white hooded ones will not allow him to win - and if he should squeak by in votes he won't be allowed to serve.

Posted by jerseygurl | July 25, 2008 11:39 AM
 

I'm not sure how the lake in Verona is maintained, but just looking at it will tell me nothing. Grass that looks lush and green because it is treated with chemicals will usually have unbalanced and unhealthy soil underneath. An overgrowth of algae in a pond indicates problems.

I'm all for use of chemicals for the short-term if needed (and I think we need it here so that we don't have dead fish floating everywhere), but wouldn't it be great if we could have a self-sustaining eco-friendly pond as the centerpiece of our town? Heck, our town logo includes the monument from this place.

And the addition of vegetation if that is recommended (like hardy water lillies) would look lovely.

Maybe it is as easy as keeping the sprinklers going, maybe it requires more. Maybe proper care and maintenance will cost less in the long-term than chemical treatments and cleaning debris off the bottom. Maybe not. Shouldn't we at least look into it?

Posted by coco | July 25, 2008 11:48 AM
 

Right now the pond is so gross that the geese won't even go in.

Another problem solved!

Posted by walleroo | July 25, 2008 11:53 AM
 

I love this, if Obama loses it will be because the "racists" didn't "allow" it.

Perhaps, just perhaps, some of us have seen nothing from the guy.

Have heard nothing from the guy.

Don't believe he is the change we've been waiting for.

Can't believe he sat in that Church for 20 years.

Don't understand why he sometimes puts his hand over his heard during the National Anthem. Sometimes not.

Are not bitter or clinging to guns and religion.

Are still wondering just what he's accomplished that even remotely suggests he has any experience.

Don't like his politics or policies.

Resent the media lovefest and failure to question the Chosen One.

BUT WHO CARES......

It's much easier to simply call us all racists.

But get ready because despite the love, the polls are getting even closer.

Posted by profwilliams | July 25, 2008 12:03 PM
 

Prof, it has been suggested that there are enough angry racists who would rather serve time in a prison for murder than allow a black man to hold the nation's highest office. Conspiracy theories aside, this is not a far fetched idea.

Posted by jerseygurl | July 25, 2008 12:11 PM
 

scum scum scum

Posted by catinthehat | July 25, 2008 12:16 PM
 

Like always, jersey--- any proof of this outrageous claim?

I didn't realize that gallup polled the racists on their views.

Or did you read this in the daily open thread at kos? (If you tell 2 friends, and they tell 2 friends, and so on, and so on-- it will become a "suggested" fact.)

Remember, it was also suggested that the moon was made from cheese.

Fortunately, a little boy from Montclair grew up to prove it wrong.

Perhaps here, an experienced war hero, who has really reached across party lines, and loves his country will render your suggestion moot.

Posted by profwilliams | July 25, 2008 12:20 PM
 

Did anybody see President Obama speaking to 200,000 Germans yesterday? WOW! They were LOVING him

Posted by Khan Noonien Singh | July 25, 2008 12:30 PM
 

I just hope to god they show up at the polls.

Posted by walleroo | July 25, 2008 12:39 PM
 

walleroo will the TRIFECTA!!!

200,000 German Obama fans can't be wrong.

Posted by profwilliams | July 25, 2008 12:52 PM
 

Every poll I've witnessed has Obama pouncing McCane.

And look how the gap is narrowing.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#chart

Perhaps McCane should stop bashing Obama for a couple of seconds and share examples of his many experiences. Who wants to listen to a cry baby all the time?

Posted by 13%annualtaxhike | July 25, 2008 12:52 PM
 

So I guess what it comes down to is Obama's blackness vs. McCain's age.

So both the American populace and the Edgemont pond are equally shallow.

Posted by 13%annualtaxhike | July 25, 2008 12:56 PM
 

And while Obama was being adored by the Germans, McCain went food shopping in Pennsylvania:
http://jacksoncountydemocraticcommittee.org/blog/?p=221

Poor guy, he just can't get a break.

Posted by monongahela | July 25, 2008 12:57 PM
 

The constant use of the middle name "hussein" in posts only serves to belie the notion that disapproving of Barack as a candidate is not at all motivated by bigotry and hatred. If it is really about issues and experience, then using either first or last name or both as with the other candidates would enough. The name "rodham" has not been used alone to identify Hillary nor "Sidney" being used to idnetify McCain. There are also still enough racists in this country who believe killing anyone not white, christian, etc. should not be considered a criminal act. They even belong to organizations that can be easily found on websites. Not the same ones that most democrats or left leaning people tend to visit.

Posted by jerseygurl | July 25, 2008 1:01 PM
 

If Obama had been in the supermarket, Fox News would probably claim he was shoplifting.

Posted by 13%annualtaxhike | July 25, 2008 1:09 PM
 

"Not the same ones that most democrats or left leaning people tend to visit."

Democrats like Sen. Byrd?

Posted by Mrs. Martta | July 25, 2008 1:16 PM
 

Mrs. - was referring to prof's post regarding kos. Info regarding serious threats can be found on those sites that undoubtedly lots of kooks visit including dems. Plenty of nut jobs to go around in both parties. Just pointing out that racist chatter about taking out Obama does not originate on sites like kos or "friends telling another friend". The clan, aryan nation and numerous other groups can take credit for that.

Posted by jerseygurl | July 25, 2008 1:31 PM
 

13%: Right FOX news.

Good thing all the major networks would be there to not only correct the story, they'd pay The Chosen Ones bill!

Posted by profwilliams | July 25, 2008 2:22 PM
 

I'm not quite convinced that support from a nation where many also evinced sympathy for the Baader-Meinhof gang (and where one of its former members actually became a cabinet minister) a few decades ago is necessarily a good thing. There always seem to be problems for other nations when Germans mass together. Perhaps it's something in their national character.

This stuff about Obama's "wild" reception in Germany also reminds me of John Kerry's very silly claim during his own Presidential run that he'd "heard" from various foreign leaders and that he was of course their hands-down choice for President. To this day, however, Kerry has never identified those leaders.

And jerseygurl, your comments above about racists and suchlike were both unnecessary and exceptionally dumb and self-righteous sounding even for you. (At times, you approach a lasermikey-like level of fallaciousness. Is that your intention?)

Posted by cathar | July 25, 2008 3:00 PM
 

The repeated use of names such as "The Chosen One" and "Hussein" among others are clear references to Obama's background and are not too thinly vieled bigoted attacks.

Back to the original post here, I rode my bike past Edgemont Park and it's all clear and the fountains are on.

Posted by jerseygurl | July 25, 2008 4:51 PM
 

Jerseygurl, the prof is merely aptly summing up the near-hysteria of the media for Obama via use of the term "Chosen One." That this also defines the Mahdi to Islam is just witty happenstance.

And Hussein is his middle name (as "Lincoln" was curiously that for George Rockwell).

You really have no sense of humor, lass. At least not of the mordant sort.

Posted by cathar | July 25, 2008 6:00 PM
 

Bigotry is not humorous. Barack does not call himself by his middle name. The prof does not refer to McCain with "Sidney". It is a blatant attempt to tie Obama to Islam. This is not witty happenstence, it is ethnic and religious bigotry. It's abhorent coming from anyone.

Posted by jerseygurl | July 25, 2008 6:09 PM
 

jersey, since any use of the man's Middle Name is a clear sign of racist intent (as is anything else that pokes ANY fun at the Chos--- strike that--- reverse--- Mr. Obama).

Please tell me, can I use any of these:

"Glowbama"

"Obambi"

"Obamaprah" (I just made that one up!)

"President in Waiting"

"President of the World" ("I am the REAL POW!!!")

"Man of Thin Resume"

"The One Whose Middle Name Shall Never Be Mention Or the Speaker Will Be Called a Racist (too long)."

"I'm not a Muslim. No Really. I'm Not... Seriously... and get those women with the head scarfs OUTTA HERE!"

"Community Organizer"

"Man who found Wright's pew VERY comfortable."

"Man who speaks well with teleprompter, without--- not so much"

Posted by profwilliams | July 25, 2008 6:22 PM
 

Yes. Those are not ethnic slurs.

Posted by jerseygurl | July 25, 2008 7:05 PM