Dear Caroline,We've never met, so I hope you don't find this letter too presumptuous or inappropriate. As its contents involve the public's business, I am sending this to you via the public on the Internet. I knew your brother John. He was a great guy, and I know he would've had a ball during this thrilling and historic election year. We all miss him dearly.
Barack Obama selected you to head up his search for a vice presidential candidate. It appears we may be just days (hours?) away from learning who that choice will be.
The media is reporting that Senator Obama has narrowed his alternatives to three men: Joe Biden, Evan Bayh and Tim Kaine. They're all decent fellows, but they are far from the core of what the Obama campaign has been about: Change. Real change. Out with the old. And don't invade countries that pose no threat to us.
Senators Biden and Bayh voted for that invasion and that war, the war Barack ran against, the war Barack reminded us was the big difference between him and Senator Clinton because she voted for the war and he spoke out against it while running for Senate (a brave and bold thing to do back in 2002).
For Obama to place either of these senators on the ticket would be a huge blow to the millions that chose him in the primaries over Hillary. He will undercut one of the strongest advantages he has over the Hundred-Year War senator, Mr. McCain. By anointing a VP who did what McCain did in throwing us into this war, Mr. Obama will lose the moral high ground in the debates.
As for Governor Kaine of Virginia, his big problem is, well, Obama's big problem -- who is he? The toughest thing Barack has had to overcome -- and it will continue to be his biggest obstacle -- is that too many of the voters simply don't know him well enough to vote for him. The fact that Obama is new to the scene is both one of his most attractive qualities AND his biggest drawback. Too many Americans, who on the surface seem to like Barack Obama, just don't feel comfortable voting for someone who hasn't been on the national scene very long. It's a comfort level thing, and it may be just what keeps Obama from winning in November ("I'd rather vote for the devil I know than the devil I don't know").
What Obama needs is a vice presidential candidate who is NOT a professional politician, but someone who is well-known and beloved by people across the political spectrum; someone who, like Obama, spoke out against the war; someone who has a good and generous heart, who will be cheered by the rest of the world; someone whom we've known and loved and admired all our lives and who has dedicated her life to public service and to the greater good for all.
That person, Caroline, is you.
I cannot think of a more winning ticket than one that reads: "OBAMA-KENNEDY."
Caroline, I know that nominating yourself is the furthest idea from your mind and not consistent with who you are, but there would be some poetic justice to such an action. Just think, eight years after the last head of a vice presidential search team looked far and wide for a VP -- and then picked himself (a move topped only by his hubris to then lead the country to near ruin while in office) -- along comes Caroline Kennedy to return the favor with far different results, a vice president who helps restore America to its goodness and greatness.
Caroline, you are one of the most beloved and respected women in this country, and you have been so admired throughout your life. You chose a life outside of politics, to work for charities and schools, to write and lecture, to raise a wonderful family. But you did not choose to lead a private life. You have traveled the world and met with its leaders, giving you much experience on the world stage, a stage you have been on since you were a little girl.
The nation has, remarkably (considering our fascination with celebrity), left you alone and let you live your life in peace. (It's like, long ago, we all collectively agreed that, with her father tragically gone, a man who died because he wanted to serve his country, we would look out for her, we would wish for her to be happy and well, and we would have her back. But we would let her be.)
Now, I am breaking this unwritten code and asking you to come forward and help us in our hour of need. So many families are hurting, losing their homes, going bankrupt with health care bills, seeing their public schools in shambles and living with this war without end. This is a historic year for women, from Hillary's candidacy to the numerous women running for the House and Senate. This is the year that a woman should be on the Democratic ticket. This is the year that both names on that ticket should be people OUTSIDE the party machine. This is the year millions of independents and, yes, millions of Republicans are looking for something new and fresh and bold (and you are the Kennedy Republicans would vote for!).
This is the moment, Caroline. Seize it! And Barack, if you're reading this, you probably know that she is far too humble and decent to nominate herself. So step up and surprise us again. Step up and be different than every politician we have witnessed in our lifetime. Keep the passion burning amongst the young people and others who have been energized by your unexpected, unpredicted, against-all-odds candidacy that has ignited and inspired a nation. Do it for all those reasons. Make Caroline Kennedy your VP. "Obama-Kennedy." Wow, does that sound so cool.
Caroline, thanks for letting me intrude on your life. How wonderful it will be to have a vice president who will respect the Constitution, who will support (instead of control) her president, who will never let her staff out a CIA agent, and who will never tell her country that she is "currently residing in an undisclosed location."
Say it one more time: "OBAMA-KENNEDY." A move like that might send a message to the country that the Democrats would actually like to win an election for once.
Yours,
Michael Moore
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Is Obama-Kennedy The Ticket?
Wednesday, August 20, 2008
Comments (122)
In the surveys you forgot:
O Don't Care, not voting for either.
Senator Joe Biden?!? Are you nuts?!? That will never play in US proper. The guy from VA or IN, that's the pick. I would go with the governor from VA to off set the lack of executive experience crap. It would also dent the repubs new southern strategy.
Whomever he picks better be politcal gold if he wants to win. Obama is trailing McCain by 5 points in the latest poll.
So much for the landslide.
McCain will win. The country is full of neanderthals. The rest of the world will continue to shake it's head in dismay while we continue our decline -- but hey let's drill for more oil here so we can pretend we don't depend on China and Russia for all those loans to pay for the war.
Dear Mr. Moore,
Unfortunately, your idealism is great for temporary escapism in selling movie tickets and DVDs but not for winning votes in a national election. Bill Maher says it better (saw him interviewed by Larry King last night) that religious alignment defines voters ... how else do you explain republican victories over the intellectual elite? His upcoming documentary Religulous pokes fun at America's religious fanatics, but is also a scary insight into what defines and influences many Americans lives.
Sadly, you are right Jim. The religious fanatics have co-opted the GOP. That's why no one gives a crap about balancing the budget, states rights, abuse of executive power. As long as abortion stays on the front burner.
Wow, now that is defeatism. If McCain gets elected it will lead to more war, more defeat, more debt, and an economic crisis never seen before in the Unite States. The McCain economy will be far worse than the great depression. This is a chance to elect an FDR or JFK. I think that most of American will see that.
"Conservatism" is dead. We are entering a new political era.
McCain is experiencing a "dead cat bounce". Obama is going to shred McCain into unrecognizable pieces.
I'm not sure who I want for VP. Heck, I'm not sure who I am voting for and probably won't be until November. But I DO like the name Time Pawlenty. Kinda sounds like "time plenty" which, as we know, is certainly NOT something we have. Or there's always "Time Won't Let Me":
"I can't wait forever,
Even though you want me to...
Time Pawlenty, ooooh!
Time Pawlenty, oooooh!
Time Pawlenty-eeeeee
wait that long"
(Can Moore be any more long winded? Jeez. He could have said all that mess in like 2 paragraphs...)
And two libs with no experience?
You can't possibly think that's a winning ticket.
Hate to break it to y'all, but Hillary is the ONLY pick if Obama wants to win.
(Which MIGHT... MIGHT... get me from voting Republican for the first time... MIGHT... Okay... it won't, but it might for some...)
Otherwise, his flame is dimming and he can't do anything to re-light because he has no history or experience to run on.
Unfortunately, if the polls are any indication, many folks are all "Hope" and "Change"(d) out.
excuse me..the religious right has not 'co opted' the republican party. the dems have such a pauciity of ideas that this is what they blame for their troubles. you guys are in deep do do.
Moore's Letter: O, brother; O, dear; O, No.
I have all the respect in the world for Caroline Kennedy, but two people on the ticket with no experience = O.
Exxon John W. McCain is running and the Dems are in trouble. Get real.
laser,
Haven't you checked the blogs today-- seems like a case of buyers remorse with Obambi is setting in....
Perhaps the large, fawning crowds (not just those in the MSM) at Mile High will give him a bump.
Unfortunately, it all seems to be unraveling.
Again, methinks it's gonna take a woman to help him up and kiss his boo-boo---
And her name is Hillary.
Nice narrative. It's late August and everyone is on vacation. Come November you'll be asking, "McCain who?"
Kennedy? That's just stupid. Sebelius or Schweitzer are the best choices for Obama. Kaine is not nearly as strong as people think he is and neither Bayh, Biden nor Clinton bring anything new to the table.
I'd love to see Lieberman with McCain as that would guarantee his losing, but I'm expecting Romney because it's the least imaginative choice and that would sum up McCain's candidacy perfectly.
PS: Poll numbers before the convention are useless, especially the national polls. I'll start paying some attention to them after Labor Day and then only the state polls.
laser,
Obama has lost all his mojo (O-jo?).
Summer or not, why has he lost so much in the polls where even a "generic" Democrat beats McCain?
Clearly it's the guy.
No experience and his bad, mumbling performance (he really can't speak without a telepromter) at Saddleback are beginning to show in the polls.....
Take heart though, Hillary is tanned, rested and ready to lead!!!
Obama is just tanned and rested (Hawaii will do that for ya.)
HAHAHAHA! What a joke. John W. McCain couldn't win a dog show. What a minute... maybe he could! Run him in the Westminster dog show!
Why do conservatives think they have a shot without the religious fanatics? Intellectual thinking is where most of the progressive civilized world is going. We have surrounded ourselves with Abortion, gay rights, and wars with other religious fanatics.... while the rest of the world is evolving. I hate to crush your creationism, but there is no god
Ridge will never be selected. The RNC will see to that. So, it's a toss up between Mitt "Robbie the Robot" Romney and Joe "Please forget I was Al Gore's VP choice" Lieberman. What happened to Bobby Jindal?
Mumbling? Really?
The Obama I watched was pausing to craft thoughtful answers to serious questions, versus a McCain who for the most part spewed bit and peices of his memorized sound bites and stump speeches.
Perhaps you are unaccustomed to someone who thinks before he speaks.
BHO will ultimately land on the choice that plays best in the polls on that given day.
Kennedy might be the pick if the NY Times and other lib outlets take the bait and showcase it on tomorrow's front page. Hope this is indeed the case as it would further bring into question the man's judgment---or lack thereof.
As a weak candidate with virtually no experience or meaningful accomplishments, BHO would quickly be overshadowed by someone like Joe Biden, much as he was schooled by McCain at Saddleback over the weekend.
Hillary would likewise overshadow BHO--- with Billy lurking in the background making all of the interns nervous.
Let the games begin!
The fascination with BHO is really starting to wear off as evidenced by his rapidly declining numbers. When will the libs understand that substance and judgement should be key prerequisites for a nominee.
Last I heard, both candidates were neck and neck in the polls. So, it's anybody's game. I think it would be political suicide for McCain to pick Lieberman. Mitt looks like a likely choice. As for Caroline Kennedy, I happen to like her, politics aside, but I don't think she'd be a good choice as per lack of experience. I really don't see Hillary as Obama's running mate; plus, I don't think the country will go for it.
"When will the libs understand that substance and judgement should be key prerequisites for a nominee."
Considering GW Bush, that's the funniest thing I've read in a long, long time.
BTW --- if people are indeed keeping score Pork Roll:
"...spewed bit and peices"
Nice!
That is, pork roll, when he's not outright plagiarizing his stories.
Still trying to figure out what experience Republicans think Bush and Cheney had that Obama doesn't. And repeatedly running businesses into the ground, catering to the interests of your oil buddies, and sacrificing ethics on the altar of the almighty dollar doesn't count.
monongahela:
Very bright comeback. Must have thought long and hard on that one, eh?
Reuters reports that McCain now leads in some polls.
I must have missed that post on the ol' Baristanet buried in all the pro-Obama spam.
Pork,
The Obama you watched was probably the one you gave money to...
Hell, I didn't have to search to find THIS example of his "ah's," "um's," and "youknows."
(Go to 1:00 in the clip for The One to speak.)
Choose any part of the forum and you will find (unless you're in the tank) that without a prompter, he's not much of a "speaker."
Of course, if you are in the tank, you will read it as being "thoughtful."
(As I write this, the clip is playing in the background-- just at the part where he said answering the "when does a baby get human rights" is "above my pay grade." Dumb. Dumb. Dumb.)
"Hate to break it to y'all, but Hillary is the ONLY pick if Obama wants to win."
Posted by profwilliams | August 20, 2008 12:39 PM
Hillary has her strengths but she was the candidate that the far Right was just dying to see representing the Dems in 2008.
When prof says he wants Hillary on the ticket I believe him, but I don't believe he's pro Hillary.
I think he agrees with jerseygurl on this one, but just wants a different outcome.
Former,
You haven't been paying attention, friend.
I was for Hillary from the get go.
And YIKES.... Please don't put me with jerseygurl...
prof, you've has told us many times you never voted for Bush, but then you tell us you have always voted Republican (same post above, 12:39).
Hmmmm.
I'll take everything you say w/ a grain of salt, so to speak.
***
BTW, that nathan barley is a hoot. Thanks for the YouTube link.
I don't think Hillary would take an offer to be VP. She would rather see McCain win and have the chance to run as the Dem nominee in 2012. Her primary campaign mantra will be "I told you that Obama couldn't beat McCain. I'm still the best candidate."
The next 4 years are going to be an economic and political shitstorm, so whoever wins this election will be vulnerable in the next. A Clinton riding in to replace a mediocre 1-termer... sounds vaguely familiar.
"prof, you've has told us many times you never voted for Bush, but then you tell us you have always voted Republican (same post above, 12:39). "
No, what he said was that he will be voting Republican for the first time UNLESS Obama picks Hilary as her running mate...correct??
Anything but Hillary. Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, Chinagate, Lincoln-Bedroom gate, Monica Lewinsky, and Pardongate. The Clintons are the Prom King and Queen of bad decisions in the Democractic party.
NJ Guy
I think williams' post above should be interpreted as "this might be the only thing that keeps me from voting Republican for the first time." At times, he has difficulty writing clear understandable prose, so please bear with him.
Hey Prof - Hillary would have made the president we have seen in a long time.
But if you're going to skewer Obama because of "ah's" and "ums", let's not forget that the person currently in the big seat is incapable of putting together a coherent thought let alone a coherent sentence.
Let's look at his experience,
-Big daddy gets him into Yale where he gets by with "gentlmen's c's" whiling binge drinking and shoving coke up his nose.
-Could not go to Vietnam, kind of sometimes maybe showed up at National Guard service. Back then they really were the "National" Guard.
-Goes to work for daddy's oil company. Continues to drink and use drugs.
-Has trouble in the business world despite his Yale MBA.
-Daddy's money buys him a baseball team, not worth much but he uses influence and power to get Houston to use emiment domain laws and taxpayer money to build the team a nice new stadium with lands him with a tidy profit when he sells the team.
-Defeats Ann Richards and becomes governor of Texas (she refused to give in to the gun lobby) where his record is abysmal.
-Using that experience of having done a rotten job as governor the Repbulicans decide he's the next best hope so they put all their power and money behind him and when he still doesn't win the popular vote, and some pretty interesting questions of possible election fraud in his brother's state arise, they are dismisssed by dad's pals in the Supreme Court ensuring the disastrous results we see now.
As the 'regular' voter starts to see the real B.Hussein Obama they are increasingly turned off by the fact that there isn't any 'there' there.
He oughta chose Brad Pitt to give the ticket symmetry....both good looking empty suits.
mv07042, here's the line -
"Hate to break it to y'all, but Hillary is the ONLY pick if Obama wants to win.
(Which MIGHT... MIGHT... get me from voting Republican for the first time... MIGHT... Okay... it won't, but it might for some...)"
Posted by: profwilliams | August 20, 2008 12:39 PM
*****
prof can say whatever he wants...he just seems to dissemble a bit at times.
I read it as Hilary is Obama's only hope and the only thing that might keep him from voting GOP for the first time ever.
Which would mean that he's never voted for the GOP before.
Whatever, I'm sure he'll be back soon.
Ice - I don't think even Brad Pitt could have screwed up the job as badly as Bush. At least he can memorize a script and has manners at dinner.
Dubya has a Harvard MBA. I'll bet the endowment got a little bit bigger the year that he was accepted into the program.
A late Summer mistake.
Glad you noticed.
And feel good about yourself for finding my mistake. I make 'em often--- I'M NOT A PERFECT MAN.... youknow?, ah, um....
But spicoli, you're off base with Hillary and your prediction of the next 4 years-- how do you know?
Most events that mark a Presidents' term cannot be predicted. From 9/11, to Monica to Watergate.
So while things don't look good now, 4 years is a long time. And as an optimist, I know I'll be writing this from my handheld, chillin' in my new electric car, listening to how homeownership is rebounding and Newark kids are learning.... for only 18k a year vs. the 20k we spend now--- one can dream.
Oh, and Hillary would JUMP at the chance to be Veep.
JUMP HIGH!
Iceman: I'm not a fan of Brad Pitt as an actor, but he's been continually doing what the government has failed to do and has built over 150 homes in the 9th Ward down in LA.
How that makes him an empty suit, and you the judge and jury of such, boggles the mind.
What's your best feat of charity? Paying 5 bucks at the office on a Thursday so you can wear jeans on a Friday for breast cancer awareness?
Shoot yourself, please.
prof - and the High School kids will still be awarding you smiles and kisses, no matter who is in the White House.
You'll always have that.
Peace, have to run...
Typical danyboo post:
Lines 1 - 5 I either agree with or at least find an interesting read.
The closing sentence makes me ashamed to say what I just did above.
Why so angry, danyboo?
Not angry Mike. :) Just contempt for stupidity.
I'll tone it down and will be sure to make you proud next time.
"Why so angry, danyboo?"
Can't you just hear the teeth gnashing as he types?
"But spicoli, you're off base with Hillary and your prediction of the next 4 years-- how do you know?"
I don't know for sure - that is what makes it is a prediction. As well, you don't know that "Hillary would JUMP at the chance to be Veep. JUMP HIGH!"
We may never know how she would react, because I think it highly unlikely that Hil will be offered the VP spot.
Wait-let's talk about McCain for a sec:
Gets into Annapolis because his father was an Admiral. Cheats on and then dumps his crippled first wife and marries a heiress, and then uses her money to enter politics. Has 6 or 7 luxurious residences and a private plane. Used to be against the Bush tax cuts but now supports them. Does not support a woman's right to choose. Wants to be in Iraq for 100 years. Makes jokes about bombing Iran. Campaign overrun by lobbyists.
Yeah, I'd vote for that guy...
Yes googleaddict, but it's mostly only the oil lobby so...and he was a POW too. That should make up for it.
google,
About the only policy issue (remember, unlike Obama, McCain has a record to run on) you list is abortion.
All the well-documented rest of your spew is easily counter with The Chosen One's list of friends.
The difference here is that all we know about Obama are his associations and friends because he has not DONE ANYTHING.
Really, like the guy all you want, you must admit the guys resume is almost none-existent.
Has any major candidate for President had LESS experience?
google,
About the only policy issue (remember, unlike Obama, McCain has a record to run on) you list is abortion.
All the well-documented rest of your spew is easily counter with The Chosen One's list of friends.
The difference here is that all we know about Obama are his associations and friends because he has not DONE ANYTHING.
Really, like the guy all you want, you must admit the guys resume is almost none-existent.
Has any major candidate for President had LESS experience?
prof still can't read because he missed googleaddict bringing up McCain's flip flop on Bush's tax cuts. Must be because it's August.
We also shouldn't forget the Keating 5 or that McCain's son was involved with Silver State Bancorp.
"...because it's August."
Yes, August, the month when all the shrinks go on vakay. This would explain a lot lately.
Washington.
And Lincoln, Jackson and Grant.
The currency presidents.
Hillary only had 6 years as a Senator from NY, and Barack has 8 years in the Illinois Senate followed by 2 in the US Senate.
W had 6 years (i think) as the gov. of Texas. I don't know, these sound fairly comparable.
The Obama you watched was probably the one you gave money to...
Actually, no. You are far too presumptuous my dear prof.
The last presidential candidate to whom I donated money was *gasp* John McCain! When he ran against GWB in 2000. He was the first, and the last (so far). I not only donated generously, but also donated my time to make phone calls to roust people to the primary polls on his behalf in Michigan and a few other states.
Alas, I share a sentiment with many other former McCain supporters, which is that the John McCain who ran in 2000 is not the McCain who is running in 2008. I find many more reasons to withhold my vote from him than to offer it.
And I voted for Hillary in the primary, something I believe we have in common. She would still be my preference, but that is a moot point because she will not be the nominee. Nor will she be the VP nominiee.
So while Obama may not be as polished an extemporaneous speaker as you would demand, I find him to be intellectually superior to McCain. Given the "Perfect Shitstorm" facing this country over the horizon, the last thing we need in the White House is another incurious shallow thinker.
MM, prof has used the time of year to explain his malapropisms hence my statement. So, do you imply that prof needs to visit his shrink? Or are you simply deflecting the attention from the McCain Bush-tax flip-flop? Or the banking snafus?
I guess McCain's positions on Iraq and Iran are not policy issues. Oh yeah, what about energy? McCain wants to drill, drill, drill and put up nuclear power plants, and votes against measures supporting alternative energy.
McCain's experience is exactly why I won't vote for him.
Nop, just commenting on the general state of affairs, not just on b-net, but everywhere. Definitely more fruits and nuts about.
Spot the (DB),
Perhaps you didn't understand "about the only thing." (See how the phrase allows for some give or take?)
Jeez, if you're gonna try to play gotcha, at least try harder.
But then again, we all know, reading, writing and playing fair here is NOT how you roll.
I'm sure Obama would be very upset with you.
Dannyboo...your arguments have lost any substance so you have to attack the messenger. That is right out the Democratic playbook...we're out of ideas so lets get personal.
JerseyGurl...on 2nd thought, we've already had an actor in the white house and he was one of the greatest presidents so I may have to rethink my original post!
Ahhhh, Spot... you continue to bore (noun: a dull, tiresome, or uncongenial person) me...
Outing folks or getting all huffy with personal attacks, either way, I find you no fun at all.
(Being humorless is about the worst trait I can imagine....)
Whatever dude..... Spew away....
I would welcome the Professor's take on the current dilemma faced by a whole lot of Heartland Republicans:
If the Second Coming is barely 'round the bend, why bother with anything except personal salvation?
ummmm, williams?
The "bore" that you refer to in "to bore me" would be a transitive verb, not a noun.
bore - v.
Def: To make weary by being dull, repetitive, or tedious
(Ironic, huh?)
You should ask for a refund from the online university that mailed your degree.
Interesting that there are so many people here who favor tax cuts for the top 1%, tax cuts and bail outs for corporations that have ceo's who have walked away with bags of money, tax credits for oil companies who despite record profits do nothing to increase refining capacity, lack of movement in developing technologies for sustainable sources of power, a war in Iraq while Afghanistan continues to slip back into control of the Taliban, a Pakistan you don't really want to have nukes right now, escalating gas prices, another bank crisis -this time related to lending, a real estate mess, and a federal government that has ballooned out of control and is borrowing heavily from our buddies Russia and China to pay for all this.
Why would anyone want to keep going down this road? So that abortion can become illegal again? Fine, take abortion off the table. Let's go back to the days only rich women could manage that. Is there anything else that makes any sense in continuing this strategy?
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Huh? At least those men were in charge when they were in the Oval Office. And --- they were Democrats, not Socialists. Who is going to be the power behind the throne if O should get in?
He may have an impressive 'resume', but what actually has he done? What makes him prepared to lead this country? He is all talk, and no substance. Thank goodness polls are starting to show that some people are beginning to think what has been shoved before them. The media should take a shameful bow for pushing this sham.
I'm not a one issue person and I am not at all pleased with the GOP choice, but I can't see the country going to hell with him in place. He is his own man and I can't say that for O.
Sorry 'bout that.
Lazermike's quote "This is a chance to elect an FDR or JFK ~~~" was left off my post because I scripted it wrong.
Pork Roll --- 1
Spicoli --- 1
"prof" --- Just watching.
Pork Roll (4:25PM)- In case you didn't pick up on it, the sincerity of prof's support of Hillary is a bit more than suspect.
If indeed he did vote for Hillary it could well have been as a Republican supporter, following the theory that Hillary would be the easiest Dem to beat in Nov.
A good number of Republican voters did that, if it could be accomplished in their state (dependent on the different state regulations for cross-over voting, etc.).
FDR and JFK were liberal democrats of the American tradition and supported Keynesian economics. Obama is a graduate of the University of Chiago, the center free market theory. You neo-conservative radicals and economic Friedmanist have a greater connection to socialism than FDR, JFK, and Obama. Neo-conservatives in the 60's and 70's identified themselves as socialist before the term neo-conservative was coined.
We are witnessing 40 years of economic theory and conservative thought swirl right down the toilet and yet you spout on blindly. You are oblivious to your political movements origins and it's present destruction. It's over. You lose. Even if win you lose. Conservative thought and free market theory doesn't work. Try to make it work and American will sink deeper into economic and political crisis. Your money will be worth nothing and this weak anemic country will be pushed aside.
Obama is the only rational choice.
No, Former, I did not pick up on that. Then again, it's often challenging to understand what the prof is trying to say. Whatever point he is trying to make at the moment often gets lost in the flotsam and jetsam of his stream of consciousness (and I use that phrase very loosely).
The sun'll come out - Tomorrow
Bet your bottom dollar
That tomorrow
There'll be sun!
Just thinkin' about - Tomorrow
Clears away the cobwebs,
And the sorrow
'Til there's none!
When I'm stuck a day
That's gray, And lonely,
I just stick out my chin
And Grin, And Say, Oh!
The sun'll come out -Tomorrow
So ya gotta hang on 'Til tomorrow
Come what may
Tomorrow! Tomorrow!
I love ya Tomorrow!
You're always - A day -A way!
{Sorry - thought laserdepressive needed a little pick-me-up}
Apologies for the personal attack. Won't happen again.
However, my personal attack doesn't make your comment any less preposterous. The very definition of 'lack of substance' is trying to argue that a guy that's built and given away over 150 homes in NO where the government hasn't, is an empty suit.
Spicoli, reality is a bitch. If you are so optimistic get your money, a copy of the wall street journal, and start buying. Or better yet get in your SUV and take a long road trip. I'll pass your sunshine to my unemployed friends.
Now why do I think the quality of the debate declines just a wee bit when I'm not involved? Well, of course there are always such noted intellects as jerseygurl and dannybood who strive gurlishly and manfully to say things of value....
Hi, lasernitwit. Having a wonderful time. It's raining so I have a few minutes. Glad you're not here. Equally gladdened to see you're as bleak-thinking as ever. Does anything ever make you feel good, mikey? Besides pulling the wings off of live butterflies, that is?
Elitist douche bag, glad you're not here too. Stay where you are. I have someone send your 9 cats. Wow, you apartment must stink. I better send in a hazmat crew.
Cathar's apartment.
http://www.maniacworld.com/too-many-cats.html
Your apology is appreciated, dannyboo. We generally try and stay away from personal attacks here. However, in the case of lasertwit, this policy does not apply.
"Apologies for the personal attack. Won't happen again."
Can I hold you to that?
> Can I hold you to that?
Of course not but you will. You keep holding people to standards that you are unwilling to keep yourself.
Laserlabby, I was referring to Dannyboo. I know I can't hold YOU to anything. Heaven forbid!
Sure MM. I won't attack without provocation. If attacked first of course, it's open season.
lasermike - I am currently long in certain sectors of the US stock market. We are in a period of slow economic growth and there have been a number exogenous shocks to the system (debt crisis, Iraq war, growing global energy consumption, etc.) But this is just another economic cycle, and like all cycles it will turn positive again. We have been through worse economic times (and will be again).
Feel free to be defeatist. Personally, I'm going to keep scrapping.
TOMORROW, TOMORROW, I LOVE YA' TOMORROW...
jerseygirl - the leading demographic to exercise a woman's right to chose are rich women, rich married women of a specific religion. Legalizing a medical procedure has given us 30 years of demographic records and statistics.
Oh and I support the McCain/ Wikipedia ticket.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews_investigates_claim_McCain_plagiarized_speech_from_Wikipedia
That's it! I'm, going to write in Wikipedia for President! He/she/it is one of the smartest things around, has an opinion on everything, is accessible 24/7, has no skeletons in its background. Sounds like a winner to me.
Jeebus...First Solzhenitsyn and now Wikipedia? Does McCain have any thoughts of his own? I need to take a closer look because I'm becoming more and more convinced that someone's hand is up the ass of that muppet.
Hmmm. Must be an empty suit. And hrhppg - my point was let's take abortion out of the discussion. Let's take drilling for oil out too. Drill all you want offshore here and let's pander to people who prefer a religious agenda. No gun control too. So no abortions and all the guns and drilling here you want. So the GOP is left with the really big issues. How does anyone who actually puts any thought into the problems we are facing actually think that what we've seen in the past 8 years is actually where we should continue going?
Spicoli,
I can't tell you what to do with your money but folks have be making a killing selling short. Other than oil these are not exogenous shocks but endogenous. And we saw the oil crisis coming. Our economic crisis was foreseeable and entirely preventable. We knew freddie mac and fannie mae was having finical accounting problems 5 years ago. We also knew that banking risk officers that wouldn't move shaky and shady mortgages were pushed out and replaced by more pliable risk officers. Then there is the trade deficit, out of control government spending, the occupation in Iraq, and growing national debt all while cutting taxes. I'm sorry, what about the US economy is positive?
What about the US economy is positive? Well, let's see. It's still the largest economy in the world, we have one of the highest per capita GDP's in the world, high productivity, excellent capital markets, low unemployment (yes, 5.7% is still pretty damn low), strong entrepreneurship, a currency that is the global benchmark, effective central banking, etc., etc.
From your comments, you have obviously never lived in a place that has a crappy economy. You are living in a town that only a small fraction of a percent of the world's population could afford, playing on your expensive PC, utilizing your high speed broadband connection, deciding how many thousands of dollars you want to spend on your fuel efficient auto, and eating enough good food to keep your paunch hanging well over your belt. In the grand scheme of things you are doing pretty fucking well.
Rather than be thankful that you live in an extraordinarily rich country that is well equipped to weather its relatively small deviations in economic strength, you choose to whine like a toddler.
waaaaaa! One of my friends lost his job and has to cut back on Starbucks until he gets a new one!
waaaaaa! the price of gas just went up to the levels that Europeans have been paying for decades!
waaaaaa! the toilet paper is too rough and makes my ass hurt!
If you want a stronger economy, go out and do something productive today.
I wish I had an avator that clapped adn bowed! Well said, Spicoli. I mean, everything is relative but we have very little to bitch and moan about, compared to the rest of the world.
> highest per capita GDP's in the world,
We are the largest debtor nation, with and unsustainable trade deficit, and with negative personal savings... that takes care of GDP.
> high productivity,
Yes, we make a lot of paper and intellectual "property" that no one respects. Too bad we don't actual produce things. If you don't make things(products) or have things(commodities) you don't have an economy.
> excellent capital markets,
Which are fleeing the US market. The dollar will be worth crap soon.
> low unemployment (yes, 5.7% is still pretty damn low),
The numbers are rigged.
> strong entrepreneurship,
Try to get a loan.
> a currency that is the global benchmark,
Not since you can buy oil with Euros.
> effective central banking, etc., etc.
You might want to talk to someone at Merrill Lynch or any of the other major banks. We are looking at $400 billion in loses.
> From your comments, you have obviously never lived in a place that has a crappy economy. You are living in a town that only a small fraction of a percent of the world's population could afford, playing on your expensive PC, utilizing your high speed broadband connection, deciding how many thousands of dollars you want to spend on your fuel efficient auto, and eating enough good food to keep your paunch hanging well over your belt. In the grand scheme of things you are doing pretty fucking well.
I do well now but I'm probably going to have to work outside of the US to maintain my wealth. The US is heading for the crapper if we don't change.
> Rather than be thankful that you live in an extraordinarily rich country that is well equipped to weather its relatively small deviations in economic strength, you choose to whine like a toddler.
I am thankful and the American dream is just about dead. We are going to have to have new dreams.
> waaaaaa! One of my friends lost his job and has to cut back on Starbucks until he gets a new one!
Call me when you get fired.
> waaaaaa! the price of gas just went up to the levels that Europeans have been paying for decades!
I have no problem with public transport. I even like the sound of the words.
> waaaaaa! the toilet paper is too rough and makes my ass hurt!
I'm been thinking about get my "personal rinsing" system.
> If you want a stronger economy, go out and do something productive today.
Until things change I will be divesting everything American until the Government and Wall Street gets a clue. I'm shorting the US.
I hope you don't work in finance. If so please clean out your desk. You're about to get fired.
We can avoid this economic catastrophe if we change our minds, our policies, and our actions. We have to get back to basics.
If you could see all this coming, Mikey, you must sitting on a big pile of dough right now. I doubt you are, however.
Oy. He should stick to Biden so that he can actually have a chance. Face it, a black guy and a woman don't stand a chance together in this country regardless of what her last name is. It would be better if he sent the letter to one of the Bush twins. Even and inarticulate idiot with a history of alchohol and drug abuse can get elected with that name.