ACORN Founder Speaks in Montclair Tomorrow

Underage Guatemalan hookers get in free!

This thread is going to go downhill pretty fast.

Additional guest speakers will include Senator Larry Craig, Senator John Ensign and Governor Mark Sanford.

Ugh...why him? This is the best they could do?

I want to throw up...Blue Wave is a gathering of blind liberal tree hugging freaks. I literally feel ill at the thought of this event. ACORN? Come on!

I guess Bluewave isn't bothered in building a progressive movement with the likes of ACORN which is a criminal aiding (if not outright criminal itself) enterprise.

Do rank and file liberals really still support ACORN?

Well, it certainly didn't take long for the Barista's Pavlovian experiment today to kick into high gear. The dogs are really starting to salivate over this one!

I hope that security for this event is on their toes.

I have it on good authority that ROC will attempt to crash the gathering with a statuesqe blond on his arm.

DAMN!

Bill Clinton, Barney Frank,
Sandy Berger, Toricelli, McGreevey, Elliot Spitzer, Dan Rostenkowski, Wayne Bryant, Jim Traficant the 30 or so NJ Democrats from NJ recently indicted including the Hoboken Mayor that got arrested before he even took office.

The list of corrupt politicians is at least as long. In addition, the most recent republican president will be remembered as the most incompetent in recent history.

I love the line "the target of Fox News and other right-wing commentators". Someone has to target them because you know pretty much any news outlet beisdes Fox will ever touch that story.

The NY Times ran several stories on this. I wouldn't expect you to know that however, since its run by eeeeeveeeel libruls.

Sort of like the this global warming b.s thats finally becoming exposed for what it is. Hundreds of millions of tax dollars wasted on these think tank grants who know darn well the 'climate change' (formerly called 'global warming' ) is a complete crock of garbage.

No, it's not.

"The dogs are really starting to salivate over this one!"

And why shouldn't we? In fact, why aren't more Blue Dogs salivating over this? You should be outraged that the leader of a criminal enterprise is coming to town to plead his group's case.

What, were then leaders of the UHO unavailable?

And why shouldn't we? In fact, why aren't more Blue Dogs salivating over this? You should be outraged that the leader of a criminal enterprise is coming to town to plead his group's case.

Really? Who got arrested after the videotapes came out?

No one...yet. But you did see the tapes, did you not?

He will be counseling all non-us citizens on how to get the most out of the state and local governments without the obligation of paying taxes. Specific topics will include:

How to attend local schools AND GET FREE BOOKS!

How to avoid your local Zoning Code Inspector!

Finding the best "Cash Only" paying jobs!

and last but not least,

"Have more kids, make more $ (also known as "Kid's for Cash")"

Mike91,

"Really? Who got arrested after the videotapes came out?"

FBI, Fla Police arrest 11 ACORN workers for voter fraud...................

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/278958

VOTER FRAUD......

http://rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

Recent Fraud

State Year Details
AR 1998 A contractor with ACORN-affiliated Project Vote was arrested for falsifying about 400 voter registration cards.
CO 2005 Two ex-ACORN employees were convicted in Denver of perjury for submitting false voter registrations.
2004 An ACORN employee admitted to forging signatures and registering three of her friends to vote 40 times.
CT 2008 The New York Post reported that ACORN submitted a voter registration card for a 7-year-old Bridgeport girl. Another 8,000 cards from the same city will be scrutinized for possible fraud.
FL 2009 In September, 11 ACORN workers were accused of forging voter registration applications in Miami-Dade County during the last election. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement and the state attorney’s office scoured hundreds of suspicious applications provided by ACORN and found 197 of 260 contained personal ID information that did not match any living person.
2008 Election officials in Brevard County have given prosecutors more than 23 suspect registrations from ACORN. The state's Division of Elections is also investigating complaints in Orange and Broward Counties.
2004 A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s fraud investigations.
IN 2008 Election officials in Indiana have thrown out more than 4,000 ACORN-submitted voter registrations after finding they had identical handwriting and included the names of many deceased Indianans, and even the name of a fast food restaurant.
MI 2008 Clerks in Detroit found a "sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent [voter] applications" from the Michigan branch of ACORN. Those applications have been turned over to the U.S. Attorney's office for investigation.
2004 The Detroit Free Press reported that “overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters.” ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.
MO 2008 Nearly 400 ACORN-submitted registrations in Kansas City have been rejected due to duplication or fake information.
2007 Four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.
2006 Eight ACORN employees in St. Louis were indicted on federal election fraud charges. Each of the eight faces up to five years in prison for forging signatures and submitting false information.
2003 Of 5,379 voter registration cards ACORN submitted in St. Louis, only 2,013 of those appeared to be valid. At least 1,000 are believed to be attempts to register voters illegally.
MN 2004 During a traffic stop, police found more than 300 voter registration cards in the trunk of a former ACORN employee, who had violated a legal requirements that registration cards be submitted to the Secretary of State within 10 days of being filled out and signed.
NC 2008 County elections officials have sent suspicious voter registration applications to the state Board of Elections. Many of the applications had similar or identical names, but with different addresses or dates of birth.
2004 North Carolina officials investigated ACORN for submitting fake voter registration cards.
NM 2008 Prosecutors are investigating more than 1,100 ACORN-submitted voter registration cards after a county clerk found them to be fraudulent. Many of the cards included duplicate names and slightly altered personal information.
2005 Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”
2004 An ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.
NV 2009 Nevada authorities indicted ACORN on 26 counts of voter registration fraud and 13 counts of illegally compensating canvassers. ACORN provided a bonus compensation program called “Blackjack” or “21+” for any canvasser who registered more than 20 voters per shift, which is illegal under Nevada law.
2008 Nevada state authorities raided ACORN's Las Vegas headquarters as part of a task force investigation of election fraud. Fraudulent registrations included players from the Dallas Cowboys.
OH 2008 ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards.
2007 A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties.
2004 A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group.
PA 2009 Seven ACORN workers in the Pittsburgh area were indicted for submitting falsified voter registration forms. Six of the seven were also indicted for registering voters under an illegal quota system.
2008 State election officials have thrown out 57,435 voter registrations, the majority of which were submitted by ACORN. The registrations were thrown out after officials found "clearly fraudulent" signatures, vacant lots listed as addresses, and other signs of fraud.
2008 An ACORN employee in West Reading, PA, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.
2004 Reading’s Director of Elections received calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was “absolutely out of hand,” and added: “Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations.” The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.
TX 2008 In Harris County, nearly 10,000 ACORN-submitted registrations were found to be invalid, including many with clearly fraudulent addresses or other personal information.
2008 ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters “The signature is not my signature. It’s not even close.” His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect.
VA 2005 In 2005, the Virginia State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law.

In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. "Additionally,” they wrote, “information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with § 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia."
WA 2007 Three ACORN employees pleaded guilty, and four more were charged, in the worst case of voter registration fraud in Washington state history. More than 2,000 fraudulent voter registration cards were submitted by the group during a voter registration drive.
WI 2008 At least 33,000 ACORN-submitted registrations in Milwaukee have been called into question after it was found that the organizations had been using felons as registration workers, in violation of state election rules. Two people involved in the ongoing Wisconsin voter fraud investigation have been charged with felonies.
2004 The district attorney’s office investigated seven voter registration applications Project Vote employees filed in the names of people who said the group never contacted them. Former Project Vote employee Robert Marquise Blakely told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that he had not met with any of the people whose voter registration applications he signed, “an apparent violation of state law,” according to the paper.

Thatnks, Kyle.

Yes, true pillars of society.

Kyle, make a link for cripes sake.

FRAUD, FRAUD, FRAUD...........

There is no denying facts!

No one got arrested Mikey, they just got fired, ever single person involved on video-tapes.

Learn... why the organization became the target of Fox News and other right-wing commentators.

Let's just be clear on this. Those two young journalists who broke this story deserve kudos. If it had been Dan Rather on Richard Nixon, Montclair liberals (a group in which I reluctantly include myself) would have been cheering. Instead, the "target" happened to be a liberal sacred cow that turned out to have a rotten work ethos. ACORN -- not Fox News-- betrayed the taxpayers, the government and its constituents, the poor people who depend on it. The organization deserves to go the way of all things.

The (oh, lord help me manage the searing pain that comes when I use this phrase) mainstream media deserve much opprobrium for ignoring the story as long as they did.

As much as I hate to be on the side of Glenn Beck, well, when the shoe fits...

I wouldn't expect anything more than partisan claptrap from BlueWaveNJ, but the group would win some points if it called a spade a spade rather than try and spin things ACORN's way in its press releases. One can only imagine the outpouring of sympathy and softball questions that will come Rathke's way tomorrow. I would love to be proved wrong on this point, but I won't count on it.

sorry ROC, i will in the future

no one need worry about ACORN, the law "defunding" ACORN has a little loophole arranged for by the Democrats so ACORN will still get it's billions.

Thatnks, Kyle.

Yes, true pillars of society.

When you pay people per registration, you're going to get this type of fraud. They are motivated by money to get as many as they can. It was a mistake.

Of course, what none of these stories makes clear is that no one is alleging that anyone attempted to vote using these false registrations. So in the end, whoop de doo.

And you may ask yourself, if those tapes were so bad, how come there weren't any arrests?

I can imagine that simply doing away with ACORN would cause severe logistical problems for the Feds, so Holder's interpretation of the ban is probably mainly pragmatism.

right walleroo, to hell with what congress wants!

You are right about logistics. Without ACORN how would the Democrats get billions (billions!) of federal tax dollars into partisan politics? ACORN is as partisan as Bluewave and they're getting federal money to build the Democratic party. It's corrupt, it's illegal, and Holder, Pelosi, Obama and the media are doing their best to look the other way.

Mike91,

"When you pay people per registration, you're going to get this type of fraud."

So you are admitting that the policies this Community Organization uses to register voters is extremely faulted, even causing fraud!

Yet the people making the policy are not arrested only the little people lower down the totem pole.

Returning to the point of my original post, it would appear that every posting since then reinforces the theory of conditioned (and in this case, knee-jerk) reflex.

One would hope there were more "Knee Jerk" reactions to outright criminality sponsored by our tax dollars, Pork.

So you are admitting that the policies this Community Organization uses to register voters is extremely faulted, even causing fraud!

Uh, no. If I pay you 5 cents per tin can, and you decide its easier to steal the cans from the supermarket than pick them up in the street, who committed the crime?

ACORN is as partisan as Bluewave and they're getting federal money to build the Democratic party.

You know, of course, that ACORN received most of this money (13 million) under the Bush administration, right? Where was Alberto Gonzalez while this was going on?

(poor Pork, he can't quite bring himself to defend ACORN. His cognitive dissonance certainly can't allow that conservatives might gave gotten something right, so he's reduced to carping about the other side's vehemence in seizing on the corruption.)

You are nothing if not consistent Mike91. "It's all Bush's fault!" Right. The corruption of the left is actually the right's fault because they failed to catch us!

One would hope there were more "Knee Jerk" reactions to outright criminality sponsored by our tax dollars, Pork.

Yeah. (Compared to Dyncorp and Halliburtoin, ACORN's been shoplifting.)

Kyle, you should really learn how to include links in your posts.

You mean theft is okay if it's more economical than earning an honest living? What a revelation! I don't need to bust my hump anymore -- I'll just rob a bank, or invent mortgage backed securities!

You mean theft is okay if it's more economical than earning an honest living?

Yep, that's what I said! Maybe I should use smaller words?

it's kind of like Pork Roll, walleroo. Mike91 can't really defend corruption but can't admit conservatives have a point because that would disturb his world view. So he's reduced to saying "no matter how corrupt our side is, yours is worse". All that means is he's fine with corruption as long as it's his kind of corruption.

Theft is theft, no matter how you slice it, whether it's a liberal or a conservative committing it.

I am fired up today because I just rented "Wall Street" (the original) so I could re-watch it before "Wall Street II" comes out.

Gordon Gekko just had a nicer office than Wade Rathke.

to hell with what congress wants!

I couldn't agree more.

Well, if a convicted felon like G Gordon Liddy is out of jail and working as a pitchman for gold coins ( on Fox News commercials), I see no harm in having an Acorn member featured in a local event.

Mike91 can't really defend corruption but can't admit conservatives have a point because that would disturb his world view.

Its obvious that people working for ACORN committed voter registration fraud, and I've stated as much. But to say, as your linked article does, that ACORN is dedicated to "bringing down America," well that's just hilarious.

But if this is what Republicans (and their harridans in the media) want to spend their time on, they should go right ahead. In the process they'll make themselves even less relevant in this country than they already are.

So according to Mike91, republican's are partly to blame because "Where was Alberto Gonzalez while this was going on?"

Where was Alberto Gonzales? Alleging widespread voter registration fraud by ACORN!

To which he says "whoop de doo."

You are really a wonder to watch Mike.

(poor Pork, he can't quite bring himself to defend ACORN. His cognitive dissonance certainly can't allow that conservatives might gave gotten something right, so he's reduced to carping about the other side's vehemence in seizing on the corruption.)

Uh, no. You shouldn't be so presumptuous, since you know neither me nor my politics, and especially since I offered no commentary regarding ACORN specifically. It is clear that you have read far too much into my initial comment, which was simply offering the observation that the Baristas have perfected the art of manipulating their readership and know just how to ring the bell with posts concerning certain topics (today it was Blue Wave NJ and Acorn; on other occasions the deer hunts, for example) to get everyone ranting, raving, and foaming at the mouth.

And you all (and especially you, RoC), have validated the Pavlovian experiment yet again, and have demonstrated the virtuosity with which the Baristas play you people like a baby grand. Witness how this thread is jacking up the comment count. And, to be fair, I'm allowing myself to be played too by virtue of making this response.

It's Friday afternoon. Put the political rantings aside and chill, peoples.

No doubt, ROC, that you have the courage to admit efforts at voter fraud within the GOP as well ?

To which he says "whoop de doo."

No, I said whoop de doo because despite voter registration fraud, no one used the fradulent registrations to vote.

Your reading comprehension is a wonder to watch, ROC.

Forget it Mike91,
ROC convinced himself that he was absolutely correct in all matters political a long time ago.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/4999/the_right_battles_a_mighty_acorn/

The Right Battles a Mighty Acorn
By John Atlas

Acorn has shown that ordinary people can organize to enhance democracy, advance progressive politics and reduce poverty.
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The right is trying to undermine one of the left’s most effective groups, Acorn, using film clips of the organization’s employees giving financial advice to a young man and woman posing as a pimp and prostitute.

The attack is a testament to the group’s success. Acorn (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) has shown how ordinary people can organize through their communities to enhance democracy, advance progressive politics and reduce poverty. It dispels the myth that the only way to help the poor is through soup kitchens, charity and social services. Rather, Acorn—politically both pragmatic and progressive—energizes the poor so they can clean up their communities, build homes and increase wages.

In a country suspicious of state intervention, Acorn’s experience shows that an activist government, when combined with a well-organized civil society, can be a vital force in the struggle for a just society. Today its agitation could help make Barack Obama a better president —like the Depression-era activism made it easier for FDR to accomplish New Deal reforms.

That’s why Acorn has been a target of conservative ideologues.

What does Acorn do day to day? With a membership of more than 400,000, who are mostly black and Latino, Acorn has organized to provide home ownership opportunities for working people, raise workers’ income through “living wage” campaigns, increase police protection and help families avoid foreclosure. It has strengthened America’s democracy through voter registration.

Working with 50 state attorneys general, Acorn campaigned in the late ’90s against the financial giant Household Finance Company’s use of high interest deceitful mortgage loans and won more than $500 million dollars in compensation for injured families. Had the nation’s political and financial leaders followed Acorn’s example, America would have avoided the recent epidemic of foreclosures.

Since Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, Acorn’s local chapter has saved thousands through a volunteer home restoration project and built the Lower Ninth Ward’s first new homes after the storm.

Acorn is not a charity or a social service agency or a political party, but a low-income citizen crusade for economic justice. It has leaders but no real public figures. The group has challenged powerful corporations and politicians, but also negotiated agreements with those same corporations and politicians to win improvements for the poor. The organization supports parent involvement and control in public schools, but it also supports the teachers’ union.

Acorn solves problems by mustering poor people’s most important source of power—the poor themselves. Thousands of nonprofit groups around the country help those in poverty by providing charity and social services. Others advocate on behalf of the poor, but without input from the people themselves. Acorn is a national force, with the ability to win major reforms at the neighborhood, city, state and national level.

Yet, like all large organizations, Acorn is not without flaws.

Following the videotape scandal, Acorn CEO Bertha Lewis dismissed the offending employees. And although Acorn employees filed no tax or loan documents with officials, Lewis appointed former Massachusetts Attorney General Scott Harshbarger as an outside auditor to recommend and implement necessary internal reforms.

The effectiveness of the attacks in the right-wing echo chamber has damaged Acorn’s reputation and led Congress to cut off federal funds. The capitulation of some on the left and some Democratic Party leaders to the attacks against Acorn is partly understandable. They want to avoid a public distraction from their efforts to pass national health care and Wall Street regulatory reforms.

But surrendering to the right only empowers the Glenn Becks of this world and the Republican leadership. First, the right attacked MoveOn.org, Planned Parenthood, “green jobs” overseer Van Jones, then Acorn. Now they are going after the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), the Center for American Progress and Obama’s political director, Patrick Gaspard, who previously worked with SEIU.

Because Acorn, like a union or the National Rifle Association, relies on members’ dues, the organization will survive this attack. But to restore its strength as America’s most effective national poor people’s organization it will need the financial and political support of all of us in the progressive community.

Wow some people "The Right Battles a Mighty Acorn" really do have their head in the sand. Talk about talking up your own book.

That you have finally, wimpishly identified yourself outright as a "Montclair liberal," walleroo, means you have just been forever drummed out of "the regiment," have this forfeited any chance I might in the future take you even half-seriously. You are now just a ranker with the likes of jerseygrul and Spiro T. Fit company indeed! Are you happy with your admission, roo? With opting for such mental mediocrity? I do so enjoy having absolute hustification for the contempt in which I hold you now, of course.

And Spiro, Liddy did his time and kept his mouth shut about others. before doing it. Unlike so many liberals (such as Rostenkowski), he was a stand-up guy when it mattered.

Really, of course, BlueWave is just yet another "Jersey joke," but I suppose they have to find something to do now that Corzine will no longer be Governor. It will be a meeting of the devotedly futile and foolish (Chaucer's "parlement of fowles" comes to mind here), and I wonder if the Baristas will send a member of their crack editorial staff to cover it.

roo will find himself more than welcome down here with the Jacks (and Jennys these days) -- hanging with the officers is a taste of posh no one needs.

while I agree with you vis-a-vis BlueWave, we part company on the subject of Mr. Liddy. If he truly wanted to "stand up" when it "mattered", he would have done so before he broke the law and abetted that gangster from Yorba Linda that he served.

means you have just been forever drummed out of "the regiment"

Ha. Fitting name for the right-wing cabal here, considering your support for regimes that tend to shoot first and ask questions later.

With opting for such mental mediocrity?

That's right. The party of evangelicals, those paragons of science! Maybe in the next election, some number of your candidates will tell us they don't believe in gravity.

Oh Mike91,, you're being so cutting today! Yowl!

But maybe you just didn't get the reference because you've never read, say, "Beau Geste" or other late 19th-early 20th century adventure novels.

Still, I'm sure there's a place for you at the University of East Anglia. Perhaps on the janitorial staff. Or even with ACORN itself.

Croiagusanam, as was frequently noted in the novels of the late, sorely missed George V. Higgins (himself, just like Christie, a former US Attorney), stand-up guys do time. Whatever we make of the misdeeds which led them to be standing in the dock in the first place, they do the time. And "that gangster from Yorba Linda" was quite beneath your usual pretty high level of prose. Par for the course from BlueWaveNJ or from the "it's still all Bush's fault" crowd, but well beneath you. (But quite up to Mike91's usual base standards, I also realize.)

A fine Boston Irishman like Higgins would acknowledge the Celtic omerta that demands one not rat out his "associates".

The Jesuit trained Higgins would call a crook a crook, plain and simple.

If you would prefer Nixon to be characterized as a crook (wife's cloth coat or no) rather than a gangster, fine.

But someone who subverts the US Constitution and breaks the law as he did is a gangster, plain and simple.

People acting inappropriately in corporations is a problem. Acorn supports the interests of the working class and there for is a threat to malevolent corporate interests. Acorn may have cleaned up their act. Corporations like Exxon/Mobile, DOW Chemical, GE, Blackwater and the like are beyond redemption and their actions have a directly negative effect on your life.

Yes, croiagusanam, Nixon subverted the Constitution. But he also did a great deal to preserve it when he first ran against Kennedy and decided not to pursue the very obvious instances of voting fraud in West Virginia and Illinois which gave Kennedy the election. And then once Bobby Kennedy became AG, there was far more shredding of both the Constitution and due process in general than even John Mitchell ever had wet dreams about. So there's good and bad here, and gangsters existed, no doubt still exist, in both major parties.

But everyone I've ever talked to who's done real time swears up and down that to be known as an informant in the slammer is a very dangerous way to live. There is a reason the Outlaws MC vends a t-shirt which reads "Snitches Are A Dying Breed," after all. So Liddy was a stand-up guy, did his time and got out in decent shape. Come on, you don't think the guy remains amusing? He's certainly a hell of a lot more fun than either Wilbur Mills or Dan Rostenkowski ever was. Even more than Harrison Williams. (And what do you want to bet that if push ever truly comes to shove, low-level ACORN operatives would happily rat out their bosses?)

Leftylasermikeypal, who writes your posts on the class struggle? The shade of Rosa Luxemburg? Honestly, mikey, have you taken to wearing steel-rimmed glasses lately and reading Trotsky? Exxon is no more "beyond redemption" than Ted Kennedy was for his many misdeeds and serial adulteries.

I find this whole "your scumbag is worse than my scumbag" line of reasoning to be wearying.

Liddy is a scumbag. So is Rostenkowski. Why is one given "props" because he didn't roll over on anyone? This is honor? This is heroism?

Not in my book.

And yes, i know all about snitches getting stiches. As if protecting pimps and drug dealers earns the speakers of such sentiments respect. Nope.

That silence maintained by soldiers or political prisoners is admirable -- I think of John McCain, for example. To put the self-serving Liddy in that company is repugnant.

Have your scumbag call my scumbag. Let's do lunch.

Well sure, MM.

But with those two scumbags at the table, you know that it will be you and me paying the bill.

Good talkin', cro.